Preparedness for when

COOLTRIKERCHICK

Thanks for that Maryb.

I will prob be asking some dumb questions about all this over the coming weeks.. But whatever they say I am going to say no.. To staying in..

I think regardless of what they say, most of them are proven liars anyway, or should I say they can put a spin on things by using words like ' might' 'if' ' maybe'

Just go with your gut feeling..

pineapple

I'm a bit worried about Boris. He comes across as not so much wanting to be out as wanting to use an out vote to argue for better terms. If we vote out I want it to be honoured and not have it used as a protracted bargaining tool - whch would leave the country in costly limbo. Plus it would be a betrayal of the many out voters who want out regardless.

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I'm finding all the spin very confusing because both sides, the stay and the leave brigades are telling us that the same thing will happen i.e less secure from terrorism if we leave and also less secure from terrorism if we stay in! how are we expected to formulate an opinion if there is no difference in what both sides are saying will be the outcome either way? Craziness!!!

pineapple

I've given up MrsL. For the moment I am going with my gut which says out - even though I have no doubt at all that it will cost us and be a rocky road at least in the short term.

maryb

pineapple wrote: »

I'm a bit worried about Boris. He comes across as not so much wanting to be out as wanting to use an out vote to argue for better terms. If we vote out I want it to be honoured and not have it used as a protracted bargaining tool - whch would leave the country in costly limbo. Plus it would be a betrayal of the many out voters who want out regardless.

I think Boris is looking to the trade deal we would have to cut if and when we come out. We would still want to be in the European Economic Area (which includes Switzerland as well as Norway). He is basing that on the fact that Europe sells more to us than we do to them so they need access to our market. That deficit might even widen if we do lose some inward investment - though one of the big car makers has already said they aren't going anywhere

Frugalsod

pineapple wrote: »

I'm a bit worried about Boris. He comes across as not so much wanting to be out as wanting to use an out vote to argue for better terms. If we vote out I want it to be honoured and not have it used as a protracted bargaining tool - whch would leave the country in costly limbo. Plus it would be a betrayal of the many out voters who want out regardless.

I suspect that Boris is doing this for political reasons, rather than ideological reasons. I suspect that he suspects that it will catapult him to the leadership.

moneyistooshorttomention

Frugalsod wrote: »

I suspect that Boris is doing this for political reasons, rather than ideological reasons. I suspect that he suspects that it will catapult him to the leadership.

...and he may be right in thinking that...

They wouldn't have tried to "buy him off" with a hefty "prize" of a post if they hadn't felt he was a real threat.

Add just how nasty they are now being to him.

Yep....I translate that into "They see him as a big threat".

GreyQueen

If the country does vote for a Brexit, you can be sure that the EU will try to make the process as difficult and expensive as possible. To punish a country which dared pick up its ball and go home, and as an example to other countries whose citizens might be thinking that they'd like the opportunity to vote likewise.

Frugalsod, there has never been gold confiscation that I am aware of other than in the former soviet block, where being caught in possession of gold coins would have seen you in a labour camp. Even the infamous incidence of the USA's Executive Order 6102 required the citizenry to deliver their gold to the government, who bought it at the market rate before putting up the price sharply. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=14611

It wasn't a confiscation in the sense that anyone went looking for it, and stole it, it relied on people being gullible enough to hand it over. Frankly, if you're daft enough to sell your valuables to the government, you're probably too daft to be trusted to hold precious metals, and too daft to be on a prepping thread.

There are also a lot of gold coins around in this country. Over 4 million krugerrands were sold in 1974 alone in the UK. Many of them are probably still here, plus others have come into the country since. And that's not including sovreigns, pamf bars and bullion coins from other countries. Most of this is lying very very quietly until the owners need it. Or is being purchased to hand down to children and grandchildren.

My jeweller friend is also selling some serious necklaces to men who are buying their gold chains by the weight and the carat, rather than by the appearance. I see gold chains retailing second hand for the thick end of £2k and the purchasers come in and want to know how much they weigh - you're not going to kid me that they're buying for anything other than a store of value.

I would deeply and truly pay good money to see the grubbyment try to take this bling off these geezers; the tend to be the kind of people you wouldn't mess with unless you wanted to leave your spleen in a pan at A & E.:rotfl:

pineapple

Frugalsod wrote: »

I suspect that Boris is doing this for political reasons, rather than ideological reasons. I suspect that he suspects that it will catapult him to the leadership.

Indeed. In which case his ambitions could get in the way of an out (if the vote goes that way). His purpose is reportedly to try to get more concessions and put it to a second referendum. So far DC has said 'no chance'.

jk0

Some months ago I mentioned to my mother that I thought it would go just like the Scottish referendum:

With about a week to go before the poll, the opinion polls will show Brexit likely. Then further concessions will be made to try to swing the vote the other way. (Whether Dave has anything to do with it is academic.)

Then, with the vote to leave defeated, the extra concessions disappear in a puff of smoke.