The second one doesn't work. Its coming up on my computer as blocked by my p.c. security (says "certificate revoked"). I never know when something like this comes up whether its really for my security on the one hand or its been censored by someone somewhere on the other hand - and, like most people, don't want to take the risk. So have to choose the "I presume my computer security really is protecting me" option just in case...
I like to see ISIS try and !!!!!! up my Christmas shopping! I get mine out of the way months in advance and online as well. That not only allows me to spread the cost but avoid the Christmas mobs as well.
It's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.
I did not say I believed it all, any more than I believe Sky or BBC news. I added them out of interest so you could see them and make your own minds up. If they are several years old, then the migrants have been causing issues longer than I thought.
I didnt share the new ones I have of the Greek and Italian situations as I get accused of being negative and showing them in a negative light But believe what you wish , time will tell, and I dont think it will be long.
. I do think you should look at all then decide for yourself, not just the normal news channels. I am in Greece and Greece is suffering terribly from the actions of the migrants...but then its suffering from the EU actions as well.......
Likewise coins ( remember the half new penny which is no longer around?) - if a coin is changed or discontinued, make sure the coins in your stash are changed up for valid ones.
Yeah, also the 5p 10p & 50p which seemed to shrink overnight.
I'm not sure what sort of rubbish metal 5p's & 10p's are made of nowadays. If you have any old large ones, compare the detail, particularly the knurling round the edge. Modern ones are rough as b*ggary compared with old ones.
These are from a Greek newspaper site today. The images are their own.
I am very worried by the ferry images. They are cramming the migrants onto them along with regular passengers. They are seriously overloaded, and with Greeces horrendous record in ferry disasters, I worry it is only a matter of time before one goes down. We are due more bad storms after this weekend.
I did not say I believed it all, any more than I believe Sky or BBC news. I added them out of interest so you could see them and make your own minds up. If they are several years old, then the migrants have been causing issues longer than I thought.
I didnt share the new ones I have of the Greek and Italian situations as I get accused of being negative and showing them in a negative light But believe what you wish , time will tell, and I dont think it will be long.
. I do think you should look at all then decide for yourself, not just the normal news channels. I am in Greece and Greece is suffering terribly from the actions of the migrants...but then its suffering from the EU actions as well.......
It's not a full debate - with all facts known - if any information is withheld. So I think you should share the new ones and its entirely up to us each individually to make up our own minds what we personally think.
This is a free country and each of us has the right to our own opinion about something - but many of us like to have the facts from all possible angles and then we will make our own minds up (ie rather than going in for groupthink in any direction).
I can see the ferry issue could be a difficult one. Every time I see that any transport is overwhelmed compared to normal levels - I think "On the one hand genuine refugees are as entitled to use transport as anyone else". On the other hand - being even-handed I wonder how the ordinary/regular would-be passengers are also supposed to use the transport in the same way as normal and my head hurts again as to how to avoid disrupting "normal" travellers.
1T you're our reporter on the ground, I'd trust your reports of the situation to be accurate over the media ones any day! Keep letting us know what's going on if you can, it's likely that your news will be more up to date too. It's a fact that it's not a problem in isolation for anyone of the European countries, we'll all be affected and we'll all have to be part of the solution when one is found. Thanks for all you have been posting and looking forward to many more of your posts in the future.
I like to see ISIS try and !!!!!! up my Christmas shopping! I get mine out of the way months in advance and online as well. That not only allows me to spread the cost but avoid the Christmas mobs as well.
Yes, present buying in the Nargle household is done at intervals over the year, some online. Mincemeat, Christmas Cake, mince pies all home made. This year a redcurrant vodka will make its appearance and promises to be dynamite. A hamper of goodies from the Ringtons Tea man, an online shopping delivery a few days before festivities begin, then just last minute fresh fruit and veg at a place and time where I don't have to fight my way through the rest of the world and his dog.
I'm getting far too old for crowded shops! ( I'm nowhere near retirement age yet) ISIS? Schmisis!
I think when discussing this and the potential impact on us (which as individuals is likely to be negligible) we need to remember that for these people the worst has already happened. What would we do in the same situation? Perhaps we can learn from it.
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The second one doesn't work. Its coming up on my computer as blocked by my p.c. security (says "certificate revoked"). I never know when something like this comes up whether its really for my security on the one hand or its been censored by someone somewhere on the other hand - and, like most people, don't want to take the risk. So have to choose the "I presume my computer security really is protecting me" option just in case...
I didnt share the new ones I have of the Greek and Italian situations as I get accused of being negative and showing them in a negative light But believe what you wish , time will tell, and I dont think it will be long.
. I do think you should look at all then decide for yourself, not just the normal news channels. I am in Greece and Greece is suffering terribly from the actions of the migrants...but then its suffering from the EU actions as well.......
Yeah, also the 5p 10p & 50p which seemed to shrink overnight.
I'm not sure what sort of rubbish metal 5p's & 10p's are made of nowadays. If you have any old large ones, compare the detail, particularly the knurling round the edge. Modern ones are rough as b*ggary compared with old ones.
http://en.protothema.gr/migrants-transported-from-isles-now-camped-in-several-athens-squares/
These are from a Greek newspaper site today. The images are their own.
I am very worried by the ferry images. They are cramming the migrants onto them along with regular passengers. They are seriously overloaded, and with Greeces horrendous record in ferry disasters, I worry it is only a matter of time before one goes down. We are due more bad storms after this weekend.
It's not a full debate - with all facts known - if any information is withheld. So I think you should share the new ones and its entirely up to us each individually to make up our own minds what we personally think.
This is a free country and each of us has the right to our own opinion about something - but many of us like to have the facts from all possible angles and then we will make our own minds up (ie rather than going in for groupthink in any direction).
I can see the ferry issue could be a difficult one. Every time I see that any transport is overwhelmed compared to normal levels - I think "On the one hand genuine refugees are as entitled to use transport as anyone else". On the other hand - being even-handed I wonder how the ordinary/regular would-be passengers are also supposed to use the transport in the same way as normal and my head hurts again as to how to avoid disrupting "normal" travellers.
Yes, present buying in the Nargle household is done at intervals over the year, some online. Mincemeat, Christmas Cake, mince pies all home made. This year a redcurrant vodka will make its appearance and promises to be dynamite. A hamper of goodies from the Ringtons Tea man, an online shopping delivery a few days before festivities begin, then just last minute fresh fruit and veg at a place and time where I don't have to fight my way through the rest of the world and his dog.
I'm getting far too old for crowded shops! ( I'm nowhere near retirement age yet) ISIS? Schmisis!