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threellamas wrote: »There is just so much information on these pages - thanks to everyone who has contributed. I have been reading intently for months, and finally able to use my left over income this month to prep. I want to create 2 x 2 week supply boxes (1 for 2 people and 1 for 4 people), particularly for this winter, with a plan to increase stocks as soon as I have somewhere to store them. I'm thinking a stuck in the house emergency with no elec/gas. Is there a master plan list somewhere or one you would recommend I couldn't find one in the many many many pages of this thread I have read.
If you are thinking no electric or gas then you would have to either look at alternative ways to heat food and/or food that can be eaten as it is. We have a gas BBQ and metal mess tins to use on it-use this for BBQ's in the summer and it's there all year around. We also have one of those small camping stoves from the pound stores-they all do them usually around £10-£15 for the stove and £3 ish for a pack of 3 gas canisters. We have a gas camping kettle-again about £5 in a cheapy shop. As a final backup we have a firepit from a local guy who makes them out of old washing machine drums. We sometimes light it in the garden in autumn or milder winter days and roast marshmallows with the kids, it looks so pretty at night AND if we had to we could cook over it (we live semi rural so plenty of free small branches etc to collect up).
On the wishlist is a log burning stove-OH helps out a local official fitter when he has to lift and fit a heavy one so we could get it fitted properly for a good price, just need to get other stuff done then save up for the stove and flue.
If no way to heat at all you would be looking at things like tinned meats and veggies that could be eaten cold. Even tinned rice pudding or fruit for some sweetness. Cereal and UHT milk would also be good, biscuits would be ok but may go past their best sooner than the tinned stuff.
Depending on how widespread the power outage was there may be problems with the water as well so perhaps some bottled water as well or some way to store water-some people on here have storage bags/tubs for water or ways to clean other water such as river water.
TBH I doubt we would loose all 3 utilities at once in the near future though. Its about prepping as far as you feel is required.
Much more likely to be short term power cuts or water you have to boil/short term no water, or supply chain issues affecting food in shops or even snow/weather making getting to shops hard work.
I prep for those sort of eventualities mostly.
Ali x"Overthinking every little thing
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That is the big flaw in their plans. Deposit protection was meant to stop bank runs which is what happened in the Great Depression. Now they have brought this in they think it will protect the tax payers by transferring the risks to depositors. Though that ignores the fact that in many countries tax payers are the depositors, they are also voters.The thing is that legally when you put your cash into a bank it becomes their money and you are deemed a creditor. So law or no law they have the legal position to take part of all of the funds deposited with them unfortunately. What stops them is if they did this with one bank there would be a run on all banks. BUT if another big crash appears what's to stop them closing the banks and doing it across the board.
I will be getting another one eventually but already have one on preorder from kickstarter. You can never have too many. Just check the rated capacity of the filter. Some will filter 100 000 gallons some only 150 gallons.Been reading up about other crypto spiridium infections around the world and it would appear in some countries it took months to clear up (3 months in one area of Canada). So decided we needed to get one of those filter bottles (if things get sorted quicker we had one on the amazon wishlist as a prepper item anyway).
I am not sure what to make of any rallies. Most big countries have Plunge Protection teams to actually go in and buy anything to give the outward appearance of normality. China has spent around $900 billion buying stocks to try and stop the crash but it has not worked.Some big drops on the London stock market this morning, although things are creeping back up. Still way down on the close yesterday. Wonder if zero hedge will go into meltdown once the US starts trading.It's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
threellamas wrote: »There is just so much information on these pages - thanks to everyone who has contributed. I have been reading intently for months, and finally able to use my left over income this month to prep. I want to create 2 x 2 week supply boxes (1 for 2 people and 1 for 4 people), particularly for this winter, with a plan to increase stocks as soon as I have somewhere to store them. I'm thinking a stuck in the house emergency with no elec/gas. Is there a master plan list somewhere or one you would recommend I couldn't find one in the many many many pages of this thread I have read.
The one thing that you should realise is that there is no one size solution that fits all. The fact that you are thinking about winter boxes is actually different from most preps. If you have a specific person or persons in mind create your own. You could meal plan for 2 weeks and then buy canned or dried goods that get you through a period. To keep the cost down try batch cooking regular meals and dehydrating the excess. If you want them to be self contained you could add stoves and gas canisters as well. You will need to think how these will be cooked.
If you have a dehydrator you could prepare meals and then dehydrate and freeze them for long term storage and then pack the boxes as you need them. Though you may have to add water rations as well.
As for heating pack a tea lights and flower pots to make a tea light heater. The pots will be cheap and you could put in several hundred tea lights in each box for light and heat.
You could also put in old duvets which could give addition warmth and would also protect the contents during transportation.
Finally to make sure that you have considered everything try living off the contents for a weekend see how you go. If you do it in autumn when it is not so critical you can find flaws in any plan with a dry run.
Good luck.It's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
The government are up to no good so have a look at this and fill in if you feel so inclined.
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/bbc-consultation-thankyouIt's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
threellamas I started off with getting a planB for cooking, lighting and heating. So that we're covered in powercuts - we get quite a few here.
Then I started storing handy stuff like porridge oats (flapjacks breakfast & oatcakes).
Packets of soup mix plus lentils & barley (can also throw into stews )
Flour obviously, kept in the freezer.
And above all in this house lol - about a ton of tea
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This is interesting:
http://usawatchdog.com/china-just-turned-the-currency-war-nuclear-andy-hoffman/0 -
I do not see any Kale in your plans? or Chocolate. :eek:threellamas I started off with getting a planB for cooking, lighting and heating. So that we're covered in powercuts - we get quite a few here.
Then I started storing handy stuff like porridge oats (flapjacks breakfast & oatcakes).
Packets of soup mix plus lentils & barley (can also throw into stews )
Flour obviously, kept in the freezer.
And above all in this house lol - about a ton of teaIt's really easy to default to cynicism these days, since you are almost always certain to be right.0 -
Completely off topic, I just became a Great Grandma to a little girl by the name of Lola Grace...0
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TBH I doubt we would loose all 3 utilities at once in the near future though. Its about prepping as far as you feel is required.
Sorry to pick on a small excerpt, quote and run.
An electricity loss can easily mean the loss of all three energy sources. The vast majority of gas heating systems need electricity to function. A sizeable number of gas hobs and ovens need mains electric to function - some can be persuaded to work be having a lit flame adjacent to the burners before ignition (this gets around some of the flame failure shut off systems).
Back to work, hopefully fuller comments later.Completely off topic, I just became a Great Grandma to a little girl by the name of Lola Grace...
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Congratulations 1Tonsil :beer:0
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