Preparedness for when

moneyistooshorttomention

jk0 wrote: »

I guess we know why poor Yanis resigned last week now, don't we? It sounds like Tsipras was hoping for a yes vote, and told YV he was going to agree anyway.

The more I hear about this, the more I get the impression that politicians get a tap on the shoulder the day after they are elected, and are told:

'Er, look chummy, we know you promised the electorate such & such if you were elected? Well, it doesn't work like that. The government don't actually run things. They only pretend to. Unless you don't want to wake up tomorrow morning, you'll do what we tell you to = they will have them out one way or another.......'

Yep...indeed....as I said earlier - words to effect of "He isn't going to want to carry that can personally" and so it is.....

Is this the voice of a cynic that has spent plenty of time over the years reading the info. re "You can elect what government you please - but if the American Government doesn't like it buddy then san ferry ann to them, as they will have them out by hook or by crook.....".?:(

(so translate that into "If the EU doesn't like it then....." etc etc).

Butterfly_Brain

Idiot Dumbnuts !!!! is at it again........... this time he wants everyone to have private savings/insurance for sickness and unemployment. !!!!!! have we been paying NI for?
The next ruse will be doing away with state pensions and the NHS. It won't be long before the fuse is lit here let alone in Greece

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/13/david-cameron-open-to-workers-saving-up-fund-own-sick-pay

moneyistooshorttomention

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

Idiot Dumbnuts !!!! is at it again........... this time he wants everyone to have private savings/insurance for sickness and unemployment. !!!!!! have we been paying NI for?
The next ruse will be doing away with state pensions and the NHS. It won't be long before the fuse is lit here let alone in Greece

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/13/david-cameron-open-to-workers-saving-up-fund-own-sick-pay

I wouldn't be that surprised if this idea came to fruition. I remember being shocked years back when it was decided by the, then, Government that people could no longer get all their mortgage interest covered if they became unemployed and I've watched the amount of money they got for that steadily cut and cut (with not being paid for the first however-many months, not being paid any over a certain amount, only being paid it for a certain length of time). That has been quite horrific to watch and wonder how people were supposed to manage to keep covering their mortgages if they became unemployed - and knowing that any private insurance type arrangement they made for that would have its limitations.

This is an extension of that principle - and I would wonder if people were only going to be allowed to be off work sick for a certain length of time and what would happen if their illness went on for longer than that.

Add the fact that I wonder whether even quite low-paid workers would be made to pay out an "insurance premium" out of their income to cover themselves in case of ill health. I would imagine the bar would be set initially at a reasonably comfortable income level - but then not raised with inflation, so that eventually even the low-paid would be hit by having to find this money. We saw it happen with student loans - whereby it was allowed to "wither on the vine" rather as to what income level one could have before it was deemed repayments should start being made and went down at one point to £15,000pa being deemed sufficient to repay student loans as I recall.

GreyQueen

I think we should all apply for refund for every penny of NI we, and our employers, have ever paid the grubbyment. If our pension age is being pushed into the never-never and there's to be self-insurance for unemployment and sick leave, what the heck is it for?

I do know that I have heard an acquaintance go ballistic when denied JSA on a technicality; he'd worked out that he'd paid £70k in NI over the previous years and yet, in his hour of need, there was no support for him.

But the Tories are always the Nasty Party. I wish a grisly death on IDS, among many, on a daily basis.

My pal has survived The Night of the Long Knives, the old apply-for-your-job malarkey. Until the next time - this is every 6-8 months. Pal is now so ambivalent about their employer that they're not even sure if they're happy or unhappy to still have their job. An exit strategy is being planned. It may come to fruition, it may not. It can't be good for businesses to treat their staff so contemptously; what goes around comes around.

mardatha

May I share your cauldron and half your bats and newts GQ. I wish that man his comeuppance daily.

GreyQueen

mardatha wrote: »

May I share your cauldron and half your bats and newts GQ. I wish that man his comeuppance daily.

:mad: You may. I am running the history of the Inquistion and various other nastinesses through my mind to find an IDS-worthy mode of punishment. He should suffer horribly - preceded by years of pain, humiliation and powerlessness - I haven't found anything quite bad enough yet.

The ruling castes haven't been taught a lesson in this country, as they have in some others. We Brits endure too much and revolt to little. They have grown complacent. Got pitchforks?

mardatha

Well... you get the govt you deserve eh? Somebody voted these sods in BUT IT WASN'T ME lol

nuatha

GreyQueen wrote: »

:mad: You may. I am running the history of the Inquistion and various other nastinesses through my mind to find an IDS-worthy mode of punishment. He should suffer horribly - preceded by years of pain, humiliation and powerlessness - I haven't found anything quite bad enough yet.

The ruling castes haven't been taught a lesson in this country, as they have in some others. We Brits endure too much and revolt to little. They have grown complacent. Got pitchforks?

Strip him of his assets and force him to sign on and exist on what's left of the benefits system, in social housing (if he can get it) complete with bedroom tax.

GreyQueen

mardatha wrote: »

Well... you get the govt you deserve eh? Somebody voted these sods in BUT IT WASN'T ME lol

There are sins of omission, too. I would like to smack people like my twenty-something neighbours who boast that they don't vote because it doesn't make any difference.

Yeah, right, pal. It's because of your successful programming into inertia that your generation gets shafted whilst the pensioner cohorts, who do vote en masse are treated better than you are. And the middling-ages like me get to suffer the consequences.

But hey, we've got i-phones now, so it's all for the best in this best of all possible worlds. Idiots.

ETA I considered that, nuatha, but we'd also need to strip him of all social connections which he'd use to lever his way up again. But social housing is too good for him, me and mine have enough to bear already. We've ex-cons and junkies and alkies, we don't need ex-tory ministers, too.

Frugalsod

I think that the problem is that the turkeys voted for Christmas yet they did not think that they were the turkeys. They are told about the so called abuses of which there are always one but then confabulate that information into all benefit recipients are scroungers, so they demand benefits be slashed so that their tax bill can be reduced. They do not realise that when they lose their jobs because of the next recession or downsizing that they voted for all this.

At some point the government will have their "Let them eat cake" moment and things will collapse very rapidly probably with many MP's dangling from nooses. I can see this happening in Greece.