Preparedness for when

RAS

Did anyone here see the the Ice Age Art exhibition? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McYem7Qz9AI cover a very few of the exhibits. The articulated lion man and the spear throwers were wonderful.

Whatever else was going on community, society and support for specialist skilled workers and shared beliefs were part of life 40K years a go. It may have been tough but it was not without times of pleasure.

jk0

Margaret54 wrote: »

GreyQueen you always talk with such wisdom. Love to read your posts my dear

Same here. GQ for Prime Minister!

Frugalsod

pumpkinlife wrote: »

We are facing long term decline that will be punctuated by brief upswings in our fortunes, but the general trend will be towards lower energy, lower population, lower consumption - and lower human life expectancy. He rejects the idea that a technology, or a social movement, or an alien intervention will 'save us' as incredibly unlikely looking at the previous track of human existence. Not impossible, but not worth a punt. He also rejects that it is going to be a peaceful, orderly descent.

Still, it won't all be bad. Humans had worthwhile lives before the oil age, we will again.

I personally am optimistic very long term, that we will resolve the important issues eventually. It is the short term I am pessimistic about. We could have wars but that would be because governments are trying to distract their seething masses. Only problem is that it is exceptionally inefficient way to rebuild an economy.

What we need is a greening of our economy. By adapting to far more renewables and even using electric cars as additional off line storage. That would give us energy independence, and maintain our standard of living. Leave it too late and we will not be able to afford the change.

daz378

whats the bet .... that just as peak oil deteriorates.... few years of struggle ..... they solve nuclear fusion or other gamechanging technological advancement

Frugalsod

daz378 wrote: »

whats the bet .... that just as peak oil deteriorates.... few years of struggle ..... they solve nuclear fusion or other gamechanging technological advancement

That is possible, but I suspect that oil companies will delay any changes for as long as possible. Never underestimate the willingness of vested interests to lie extensively.

moneyistooshorttomention

Frugalsod wrote: »

That is possible, but I suspect that oil companies will delay any changes for as long as possible. Never underestimate the willingness of vested interests to lie extensively.

Strong "vested interests" will regard lying as a very minor transgression if it helps them stay in business a bit longer.

Personally, as regards strong vested interests as a whole I put absolutely nothing past them (and that means up to and including disposing of people that stand in their way - and, no I don't mean just sacking inconvenient employees of theirs..:eek:).

Am racking brains to recall details of Chico Mendes right now...and as to whether he is still alive..:cool: EDIT: Nope...he was assassinated in 1988 by a rancher.

Hilda Murrell also coming to mind....

That British guy recently (supposed suicide)...Dr Kelly.

I'm sure there are others that would come to mind if I thought about it long enough..

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Frugalsod wrote: »

How to get your own perfect bug out vehicle in 4 easy steps.

I don't fancy a tank.

I think I'll just go for a Stalwart.

BTW. Why did he have to have it delivered :huh:

Couldn't he simply driven it home?

bubbs

ginnyknit wrote: »

Kezlou you can't mention marrow custard and not tell more:rotfl:

bubs, so technically in your static caravan you have a lot of the preps in place ie cooking and heating. Do you have ingenious ways of storing things? Im interested as I may have to make rather extreme new life plans due to Hubbys health problems. I dont intend to stay here alone and want to research other options of where to live. However I have an awful lot of belongings to dispose of which will raise the necessary funds in that event. I cannot sit here in cloud cuckoo land and ignore it all.

Fuddle, Im a blanket collector too, hm mostly and they seem to multiply faster than I can find home to give them to. Hubby has an elderley pink cellular blanket which he loves rather too much and actually calls Pinky! he is a little old for a blanky but it does keep him warm on his bad days, I think his thermostat is broken.

We have gas central heating, electric oil filled and calor gasfire, plenty of blankets, i have a gas cooker, microwave, halogen oven, so all aspects covered.
I have a shed which has washing machine/tumble drier.f/freezer (also have one inside) small chest freezer in and all my stash:D
We live on a park have mains water and this is the only thing we have had a problem with in 2010 the ground was frozen solid and didnt have a drop out our taps from mid nov too after xmas:eek::eek: but we managed filing bottles everywhere we went:rotfl:

GreyQueen

daz378 wrote: »

barring a shtf event th is country will bump along the bottom slight periods of growth (fueled by debt) and then small falls as we pay it back. I to have public sector pension ... i think the council doubles what i put in...but we may be privatised next year and we may lose the pension, only have 14 years in, may have to save up myself in different ways, if i can afford it

pumpkinlife wrote: »

I don't know about anyone else, but I broadly agree with John Michael Greer (of the blog The Archdruid Report) that we are facing 'catabolic collapse'. There's a good explanation of it here:

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/onset-of-catabolic-collapse.html

We are facing long term decline that will be punctuated by brief upswings in our fortunes, but the general trend will be towards lower energy, lower population, lower consumption - and lower human life expectancy. He rejects the idea that a technology, or a social movement, or an alien intervention will 'save us' as incredibly unlikely looking at the previous track of human existence. Not impossible, but not worth a punt. He also rejects that it is going to be a peaceful, orderly descent.

Still, it won't all be bad. Humans had worthwhile lives before the oil age, we will again.

I agree with both of the above. Another ardent fan of the Archdruid, one of the best writers on the web, IMO, and I'm awed by the breadth of his knowledge.

What elites typically do to their proles (and I count myself firmly in the latter category) is lie and decieve for as long as possible, then hang the masses out to dry whilst protecting themelves, their kin, their class and their assets. This has happened as long as there has been any kind of society at all, for thousands of years. It will happen again. We are not some kind of exception because of the age we live in.

The current order of affairs will continue until it collapses under its inbuilt contradictions, or is precipitated into an accelerated collapse by a catastrophic event. A catastropic event, or series of events, could be caused by actions of people or actions of the planet. It could happen tomorrow, it could happen in a generation or two. If the news is still functioning, they'll tell you what you needed to know hours, days, months or years beforehand, in order to have taken preventative action.

We have grown to our present population levels on the back of energy laid down millennia ago; coal, oil, gas. You can't built an enduring economy on the basis of extraction of finite resources. It's the difference between having a non-replenishable store cupboard in your home and a vegetable patch outside. Once the store cupboard is empty, your choices are; starve, steal or start gardening.

However, if you start gardening too late, you'll probably also starve, as you haven't taken time to adapt your lifestyle and expectations, and to learn the skills which you need to be a viable gardener.

We've known about Peak Oil for decades. Known about it, but not wanted to think about it, like little kids with their hands over their ears, declaring they're not listening. It would have been sensible to have spent the intervening 50 years reworking everything in society, from the ground up, to be suitable for the post-oil age.

We should have moved towards decentralisation, local production of local needs, PassivHaus building, more allotments, cycle ways etc etc. Instead of behaving like adults, we've behaved like careless teens on a binge. The parents aren't about to come home to the house we trashed with our lairy teenage mates and tell us off and then put everything right with their age, experience and home contents insurance policy.

Sorry won't be enough.to fix this one. We will reduce in numbers as a species, steadily as living situations worsen, and maybe catastrophically as pandemic disease takes its toll. We will have to live simpler lives, and what we do now will be told as legends to the grandchildren, of mythical sunny lands on the Med which they have never seen.

I have flown around the whole planet twice, and I am a Green who knew it was an unethical and irresponsible thing to do, so I'm just as culpable as the rest of the Wasters.

We're going to be stuck with the damage and have to fix it ourselves, where it can be fixed, and endure the consequences where it cannot be repaired. The future will be a lot harder than it could have been because of our infantile, selfish behaviour.

COOLTRIKERCHICK

been reading some posts on facebook about the fires in a place called Weed in Califonia sp? and the poster I have as a friend put a link up to this. 'ready for wildfires' its a bit basic, but I thought it might be an interest to post a link on here, I am going to use it as a template and adjust/tweek it to sinarios that potentially could happen over here..


http://www.readyforwildfire.org/wildfire_action_plan