Preparedness for when

1Tonsil

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Frugalsod

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Think there is some phrase about "law of the commons" or something that applies here, to the effect of people often not valuing a resource that is held in common and reckoning they can take as much as they please...which is possibly fine if they are the only one doing so, but if everyone else is thinking the same way or some despot comes along and grabs the lot just for themselves then....

It already happens with the air. Just because it is everywhere does not mean that it is limitless. That is why we need environmental laws to stop pollution. If a company can simply dump its waste into the atmosphere they can effectively poison millions and not pay for it. That is why we had to have the clean air acts to clean the air of all the pollution that was impacting everyone else, through increased asthma and deaths. These effects are called externalities and are very hard to price because we may not appreciate the impact for many years such as the effects on the ozone layer by CFC's. Yet we fail to make the people who caused the problems pay their fair share of the costs. It is like the current fines on the banks for mis-selling and fraud. The fines are a fraction of the profits so they simply become a cost of doing business and simply encourage more mis-selling because the fines will be a fraction of the true costs.

moneyistooshorttomention

Frugalsod wrote: »

It already happens with the air. Just because it is everywhere does not mean that it is limitless. That is why we need environmental laws to stop pollution. If a company can simply dump its waste into the atmosphere they can effectively poison millions and not pay for it. That is why we had to have the clean air acts to clean the air of all the pollution that was impacting everyone else, through increased asthma and deaths. These effects are called externalities and are very hard to price because we may not appreciate the impact for many years such as the effects on the ozone layer by CFC's. Yet we fail to make the people who caused the problems pay their fair share of the costs. It is like the current fines on the banks for mis-selling and fraud. The fines are a fraction of the profits so they simply become a cost of doing business and simply encourage more mis-selling because the fines will be a fraction of the true costs.

Very true:T I know the thing you mean, ie "The Polluter Pays Principle".

Very true also re the banks. If they are making such massive profits, then I can well see fines could just be down on the balance sheet as a "cost" and they won't think twice if that cost is a pretty low one. Its the same principle as we all pay for shoplifting because the shops factor in a certain level of "shoplifting costs" into the equation when they work out what mark-up to put on the goods the rest of us buy. Guessing shoplifters tell themselves that "It doesn't matter. No-one pays", but they are wrong, because we all pay.

The thing that always puzzles me is how the "big guys" think they can expect to escape the result of their actions themselves. If you have loadsamoney then you can buy a big great estate to live on and protect your own personal "little" (or not so little) patch. However, there isn't some sort of invisible barrier round their estates that filters the air before it comes in/that takes toxins and gm stuff out of the food they have to buy in as it crosses the boundary into their kitchen. They will get the effects too of what they do to us, even if rather more diluted form.

charlies-aunt

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craigywv

I wouldn't like to be around when the lights go out and my niece hasn't got her mobile phone as its like a 3 rd lung to her!!!!!!!! cant do without it.

1Tonsil

craigywv wrote: »

I wouldn't like to be around when the lights go out and my niece hasn't got her mobile phone as its like a 3 rd lung to her!!!!!!!! cant do without it.

I often think the same when I see everyone out and about using them...they use it as their only means of communication. They would not know what to do without the television, internet and mobiles.

I think the older generations would manage much better without all the modern technology and gadgets....and we have a good head start on most...:D

pollys

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I love to read this thread but don't post. I thought you might be interested to know that DW Sports are selling the gas canisters for the flat camping stoves at 50p each. Some marked at £1 so look carefully.

Polly

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moneyistooshorttomention

Welll.....so the vote is deemed "too close to call" re Scottish devolution.....hmmm...

Clue = Elizabeth Windsor (aka the queen) has made her views felt (in guarded diplomatic type language) on the subject. Reporters were allowed (by coincidence;)) to film/record her views expressed "off the record" to churchgoers recently and the words that were (coincidentally) recorded were that "People should think very carefully about the future".

We cant get the tone of voice or facial expression when this was said that way of course...but implication is "Don't do it Di".

I've been on the receiving end of "indirect messages" in a major context before now, so recognise the tactic and am guessing there was a serious look on face and very slight shake of head whilst saying it and the non-verbal info. conveyed said "You know what I really mean, don't you?".

Straw poll on "Does this make a difference and might be just enough to swing the vote?".

As you've probably gathered..I'm not a royalist personally...but am betting a fair number of people are...

Thoughts?

GreyQueen

pollys wrote: »

Hello

I love to read this thread but don't post. I thought you might be interested to know that DW Sports are selling the gas canisters for the flat camping stoves at 50p each. Some marked at £1 so look carefully.

Polly

Thanks for that. I've never come across DW Sports, is this a national chain?

Have been having a Bit of a Moment about inflation. Because Liddly jacked up the price of their Nixe sardines in oil from 40p yesterday to 69p today. That, gentle reader is 72.5 % in 24 freakin' HOURS!!!

OK, sorry for shouting, but I'm a bit cross. More than a bit cross - bordering on orbital. I was aiming to build up a nice little cache of these as they're long-dated until mid-2019. And now they're dearer. Oh yes, they do have a new tin design but it isn't worth 29p per s0dding can. I'd want cubic zirconia on it for that price, darlings.

Wasn't that long ago that you could get them for 24p a can. And I made my chilli a couple of days back with canned red kidney beans which cost 16p in 2012 and the exact same thing from the exact same shop is 23p now.

:mad: Remind me again what the so-called inflation rate is?