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Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

I am spitting feathers at this report

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/20/people-stripped-benefits-charged-decision

Can the Tories sink any lower?

Probably! :mad:

Frugalsod

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

I am spitting feathers at this report

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/20/people-stripped-benefits-charged-decision

Can the Tories sink any lower?

Very probably.

Frugalsod

thriftwizard wrote: »

Sadly there are a lot of people round who think it's still like that & can't see that they've just been lucky; I've lost count of the rants I've heard about the !!!!less getting up off their arrises & getting a job, if the (insert racial slur of your choice) can do it, why can't the young/disabled/long term sick?! It's no good saying that there are no real jobs out there any more, that lots of people are on zero-hours contracts, etc. etc. because they're not going to let the truth interfere with their prejudices.

The problem is that the media have been lying about the levels of benefit fraud. Many people think benefit fraud is around 50% mark yet even the governments own figures have it as low as 0.7%. Not even 1% is fraudulent. Most benefits go to the very rich via housing benefits and pensioners. Most of the jobs being created are low paid and will require in work benefits. In the past you could buy a home on a single wage and bring up a family on that same wage. Not now. You need two incomes and even very high paid jobs to actually buy a home now unless it is in a very depressed area. So average house prices are nearly ten times average wages which will mean that eventually the entire Ponzi scheme that is the British housing market will collapse. If they were ever to get back to a level like 3 times wages then property would be 70% over valued. So all those who claim that the bubble will continue and that they were brilliant property investors will be wiped out.

RAS

The sooner people realise that the biggest beneficiaries of Government subsidy are employers whose salary bills are reduced by WTC/CTC etc not individual people the better. And the largest ones do nto even pay tax in the UK.

Frugalsod

RAS wrote: »

The sooner people realise that the biggest beneficiaries of Government subsidy are employers whose salary bills are reduced by WTC/CTC etc not individual people the better. And the largest ones do nto even pay tax in the UK.

We need to eliminate in work benefits, but starting with the big companies and gradually over time make smaller and smaller companies comply. Make a living wage the objective and then the government will save money with no money subsidising employees wages.

RAS

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

I am spitting feathers at this report

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/20/people-stripped-benefits-charged-decision

Can the Tories sink any lower?

I think what they do is announce the unimaginable and completely unacceptable in the knowledge that it makes the unacceptable seem "moderate" by comparison.

What we desparately need to do is target people who they have damaged in marginal consistuencies and try to ge tthem regsiter to vote and out to vote. Then put a rocket up the other party's rear ends.

The difficulty is that when you are struggling to eat everything seems hopeless and finding the strength to organise yourself to vote is really hard.

GreyQueen

They're Tories, BB. Nye Bevin had them bang to rights all those years ago - lower than vermin.

Soooo, I will assume that if we're going to live on ToryWorld, and be left without state assistance when we are on our uppers, that they'll stop stealing a big chunk of our modest wages in tax and national insurance? Y'know, so we can make our own provisions for a rainy day?

Silly of me, I know.

I think it would behoove the wealthy and powerful to remember that you're never very far from poor people. And pushing people too far has led the arrogant and cruel wealthy of the world into some interesting and uncomfortable places over the years. Occasionally on a one-way journey.

Frugalsod

GreyQueen wrote: »

They're Tories, BB. Nye Bevin had them bang to rights all those years ago - lower than vermin.

Soooo, I will assume that if we're going to live on ToryWorld, and be left without state assistance when we are on our uppers, that they'll stop stealing a big chunk of our modest wages in tax and national insurance? Y'know, so we can make our own provisions for a rainy day?

Silly of me, I know.

I think it would behoove the wealthy and powerful to remember that you're never very far from poor people. And pushing people too far has led the arrogant and cruel wealthy of the world into some interesting and uncomfortable places over the years. Occasionally on a one-way journey.

Actually I think that day will come eventually. Vive la guillotine. Not yet maybe a long while but eventually. Governments have either had to change or flee. Though before that we could see the far right take power here or some where else within Europe and then we might see mass migration from repressive countries again. We are reliving the mistakes of the thirties yet again. A civil war in Ukraine will be met by a Russian invasion, and possibly mass migration from there as people flee the bullets.

RAS

A bit random but thought you might find this articla interesting. http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/articles/selling-silver-enclosure-uks-fisheries

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