No right turn Rule

jonathanw

I got a ticket in westminster for doing an illegal right turn. I appealed as i couldn't see the no right turn on the left of the road as it was obscured by many lorries. Westminster council wrote back saying all well and good but on the road their were clear signs ahead only. Do both have to be visible to be enforceable? thanks john

HO87

Do you know whether the signs indicating "Ahead Only" (white arrow on a blue background) were displayed on an oblong or round background? Strictly speaking the sign on a round board is "Ahead Only" and is directive whereas that on an oblong board indicates a one way street - which would not necessarily preclude a left or right turn.

As far as I am aware there is no requirement that the signs need to be combined to enforce a no right turn.

dacouch

Was it at traffic lights

jonathanw

no. Grosvenor place Haikin Street no rich turn visible on the left
Apologies
http://goo.gl/maps/ZCpe

peter_the_piper

Is that right, I only get a lovely view of a river.

dacouch

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=+grosvenor+place&hl=en&ll=51.501931,-0.151277&spn=0.006358,0.021136&sll=51.501757,-0.151062&sspn=0.006679,0.021136&hnear=Grosvenor+Pl,+City+of+Westminster,+London+SW1X,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.5018,-0.151353&panoid=6PhPxHssJPipydatq8MhjA&cbp=12,151.06,,0,9.87

It's no right turn there as it's a few yards from the incredibly busy Hyde Park Corner so turning right causes disruption.

The google earth picture was taken circa 5.30am to 6am hence less traffic

jonathanw

http://goo.gl/maps/ZCpe

jonathanw

dacouch wrote: »

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=+grosvenor+place&hl=en&ll=51.501931,-0.151277&spn=0.006358,0.021136&sll=51.501757,-0.151062&sspn=0.006679,0.021136&hnear=Grosvenor+Pl,+City+of+Westminster,+London+SW1X,+United+Kingdom&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.5018,-0.151353&panoid=6PhPxHssJPipydatq8MhjA&cbp=12,151.06,,0,9.87

It's no right turn there as it's a few yards from the incredibly busy Hyde Park Corner so turning right causes disruption.

The google earth picture was taken circa 5.30am to 6am hence less traffic

Thanks but i didn't see the no right turn sign as there were lorries blocking it?

jonathanw

peter_the_piper wrote: »

Is that right, I only get a lovely view of a river.

http://goo.gl/maps/ZCpe

Orford

jonathanw wrote: »

Thanks but i didn't see the no right turn sign as there were lorries blocking it?

There's also 'Ahead Only' on the road

jonathanw

Orford wrote: »

There's also 'Ahead Only' on the road

Do both have to be visible to enforce the no right turn? Should there be another sign on the other side of the road?