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Lords Reform....
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH
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Lords reform is so long overdue. .
Just...... no.
Democracy can be a noble and beautiful thing.
It can also amount to little more than the rule of the mob.
When you look at all the temporarily populist but deeply illiberal measures that various governments have tried to bring in over the years, it has been the Lords that have questioned, delayed, obstructed and become the voice of reason and wisdom and the guardians of liberty.
Only possible because they do not have to answer to an electorate, and so are able to protect society from it's own worst impulses.
We should go back to hereditary peers, a class of people born and bred to inherit the wisdom of generations and act as a check and balance to the madness of crowds.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”
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Did you mean to start a new thread to reply to a post on another?0
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Yes, taking politics out of the NP thread at the posters request.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
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So back to destroying a cornerstone of the UK constitutional arrangements in the name of democracy.....
You don't let children vote on how to run a nursery class.
Nor do you let lunatics rule the asylum through the power of a majority.
Yet under democracy we allow people uneducated enough and often unintelligent enough to understand the implications of their decisions to determine the direction of a nation.
In a way it's madness.
Yet it's also the least worst of the systems we have tried so far.
Very frustrating....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
What does Lords reform have to do with house prices and the economy?0
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What does Lords reform have to do with house prices and the economy?
Are you really trying to say that the government of the country has no relevance to the economy?
Seriously?
Given all the activism recently from the Lords....
Just.... wow.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
There are too many privileged nob heads to sit as Lords at the same time. They would have to play sardines to squeeze in.
Is there anything in the way of a noble Lord from becoming Prime Minister ?
If they have enough money and influence they can fund party/general election campaigns and appoint whoever they wish as cabinet ministers by making them also Lords.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Just...... no.
We should go back to hereditary peers, a class of people born and bred to inherit the wisdom of generations and act as a check and balance to the madness of crowds.
Who haven't got a clue about life in the real world of today.
A few hundred years ago maybe when they more directly controlled the populace maybe.
They may have been born and bred doesn't mean to say they have any clue what to do with the wisdom they may inherit or otherwise."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I do hope you are including union barons and NuLab appointees from the great and good (sic) of Guardian readers in that, JB?0
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If attendance is optional then how can the great and good guarantee that they are overseeing the cockups of the lower chamber. Perhaps the House of Lords should have an online category of membership. They could be termed Lords Digital.
J_B.
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Ennobling Lords has been a government power race to stuff the Lords with those that will do the governments bidding lest that they are forced to rethink and reform government policy. Retired party apparatchiks are moved sideways into the Lords. The new upcoming but unelectable party stars are ennobled so that they can take part in government.
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Joe_Bloggs wrote: »If attendance is optional then how can the great and good guarantee that they are overseeing the cockups of the lower chamber.
Oh, with 800 plus of them, there's sure to be enough of the doddering oldies around to keep tabs.
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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