Who doesn't have a stock cupboard

Butterfly_Brain

I got some frozen veg in Farmfoods this morning £2 for 3 bags cauli £2 for 3 bags peas, £2 for 2 bags mushrooms, 2 bags sweetcorn a bag carrots, a bag onions, a bag of swede, 2 bags broccoli, 2 bags apples, 2 3kg bags fuselli £2.50 each 4 butter @ 2 for £2, 2 bags roast potatoes £2, 2 bags fritters £2 total £28 ( Got £2.50 off using the coupon so it actually ame to £25.50) or the equivalent of one free bag of pasta so I have plenty now. I will get some chips and waffles in Aldi tomorrow, because I prefer theirs so that will be another £4.
My chest freezer is groaning so I have told the kids that they have to finish the ice cream and lollies (such a hardship for them I know :rotfl::rotfl:)
I prefer to keep mainly meat and veg in the chest freezer and the other bits in the fridge freezer including my veggie DD's Quorn stuff.
Aldi and Asda tomorrow and once I get the bread flour I will be able to relax for another 3 months. I just hope that the weather will dry up so that the brussel sprout harvest isn't lost I don't like the shop frozen ones I prefer the ones that I freeze myself. We also love Kale, again I hope that we can get it in the Autumn.

WantToBeSE I hope that you find a job soon

Butterfly_Brain

sonastin wrote: »

My OH gets through soya milk at a rapid rate. His current preference is Te$co own brand sweetened. Don't usually shop there but he doesn't like a$da and ald! have only just started doing an (inferior) sweetened soya milk. So rather than keep making special trips, I usually by a case at a time. Given that there is only room for 2 cases at most, my visits tend to wipe them out of sweetened soya milk. But it isn't a sign of panic buying, honest!



For those living in fear of armageddon, surely you'd be better off learning how to be self-sufficient than creating a stockpile. An education in how to grow your own, treat water, forage for edible wild foods, etc will surely keep you going far longer than a cupboard full of tins and bottles that you don't have the means to replace, and you'll be in a better position to share with the other armageddon survivors

There are flaws in your reasoning .

1. No one should say what they have because you will be attacked if people know you have food
2. At the risk of sounding callous everyone will put their own first in a crisis.
3. Not everyone has an area to grow things and be self sufficient. All new builds seem to be flats or teeny houses with even teenier gardens.
4. Not everyone lives close to hedgerows or indeed knows what to look for when foraging.

Popperwell

sonastin wrote: »

My OH gets through soya milk at a rapid rate. His current preference is Te$co own brand sweetened. Don't usually shop there but he doesn't like a$da and ald! have only just started doing an (inferior) sweetened soya milk. So rather than keep making special trips, I usually by a case at a time. Given that there is only room for 2 cases at most, my visits tend to wipe them out of sweetened soya milk. But it isn't a sign of panic buying, honest!

For those living in fear of armageddon, surely you'd be better off learning how to be self-sufficient than creating a stockpile. An education in how to grow your own, treat water, forage for edible wild foods, etc will surely keep you going far longer than a cupboard full of tins and bottles that you don't have the means to replace, and you'll be in a better position to share with the other armageddon survivors

Well around here there is not any place forage, in my case(the worry is that I may have to move)not my choice so I don't think it is worth attempting growing my own veg plus being single and eating less, a packet of frozen veg, even some fresh veg goes a long way and unless it shoots up in price you can get quite a few meals out of items bought in the supermarket.

But there is some merit in what you suggest. And it would do no harm to incorporate some of this into the education given at school or colleges.

What you say about the Soya Milk in Tesco's could be what's going on and explain some of the empty spaces exist. I have occasionally seen a person with a trolly full of fresh milk at a check out. So I assume they are buying for a cafe.

Butterfly_Brain

Two of my neighbours (one in their twenties, one in their fifties) fell and broke limbs coming into the flats in winter 2010-11. Just think, having a stock-cupboard might mean the difference between being snug and safe at home and being down on a frozen pavement with a broken limb.........[/QUOTE]

Grey Queen I do not go out if it is icy because I have osteoarthritis in both knees and even though I walk with sticks I am prone to falling (Had a bad one indoors a month ago) it is just too dangerous, so I have always got everything in before winter sets in. I make sure that I have the ingredients to make bread, dried, long life and evaporated milk plus a 2L bottle kept in the freezer.
Maybe I should change my name to Mummy Bear :rotfl::rotfl:

fuddle

sonastin wrote: »

For those living in fear of armageddon, surely you'd be better off learning how to be self-sufficient than creating a stockpile. An education in how to grow your own, treat water, forage for edible wild foods, etc will surely keep you going far longer than a cupboard full of tins and bottles that you don't have the means to replace, and you'll be in a better position to share with the other armageddon survivors

Many of us do that already It's best of both worlds for me. A store so I can continue to make meals should minor problems occur in our infrastructure and if gawd forbid anything worse a tent, walking gear, raincoat and a beagle collie cross

I'm not into preparing for the worst terribly but I do read and take in. What is the saying? To fail to prepare is to prepare to fail

Popperwell

Butterfly_Brain wrote: »

There are flaws in your reasoning .

1. No one should say what they have because you will be attacked if people know you have food
2. At the risk of sounding callous everyone will put their own first in a crisis.
3. Not everyone has an area to grow things and be self sufficient. All new builds seem to be flats or teeny houses with even teenier gardens.
4. Not everyone lives close to hedgerows or indeed knows what to look for when foraging.

For me 2, 3 and 4 are most relevent. As for your wonderful
shop on frozen veg at Farmfoods, I'd never get that in my fridge/freezer perhaps I do need an additional freezer but with money tight and the cost of electric and if I am forced to move and it's smaller space, could be a problem.

And we don't have a Farmfoods nearby...Again it would mean adding bus or taxi fares, it's a pity because there are some good food stores 5-6 miles away and that's not bad distance wise by taxi adding going there and back that's £25+ and by bus on a return ticket approx £7 but on a bus you cannot carry a lot. The cheapest you could do it would be travel one way by bus and return by taxi and that still would cost approx £17.

You miss access to your own transport(but over the year with road tax, petrol, mot, insurance and repairs)I'm not sure it's any better. It would nice if I had family or a friend who might say they'll give you a lift.

No wonder many feel a prisoner in their homes...there is much to be said for some people needing access to the internet and having goods delivered where possible. But getting out even just to shop for an hour when living alone is good for the soul...and sometimes you like to see what you are buying.

GreyQueen

sonastin wrote: »

For those living in fear of armageddon, surely you'd be better off learning how to be self-sufficient than creating a stockpile. An education in how to grow your own, treat water, forage for edible wild foods, etc will surely keep you going far longer than a cupboard full of tins and bottles that you don't have the means to replace, and you'll be in a better position to share with the other armageddon survivors

I wouldn't consider myself as living in fear of Armageddon and that's not the impression of other people's posts from my POV.

The fact is that the carrying capacity for the UK for food independance whilst practising undisturbed agriculture is less than 1/5th of our current population. We have not been able to feed our population without imported foods for 100+ years (and even in WW2 with rationing, the Americans were helping us out with food. I think we finished paying for this in late 2006).

As for foraging, I do know how to forage and I do know how to do bushcraft type activities and no bushcraft tutor will give you false hope about even medium-term survival using their techniques in this country, if everyone were to do it. Just try processing acorns into acorn flour or fat hen seeds into meal.

A particular problem is that for several months of the year, nothing much grows. There are very few foragable carbohydrates, and anyone trying to live off the land in this climate would get very thin, very quickly, and not in a good way. Our Paeolithic hunter-gather ancestors would have been covering about 20 miles a day on their foraging activities. In a subsitance situation, you have to be very careful that the amount of calories expended doesn't exceed the amount gained from the foraging or it is a worthless activity. After a week in the woods in northern England in autumn, my companions and I were visibly losing weight, and that was with plentiful quantities of industrially-packaged food supplementing our foraging.

For example, rabbits are plentiful but what a lot of people won't know if that their flesh is deficient in fat and vitamins. Eat rabbit, and your body will excrete fat and vitamins. If you don't replace them quickly, you get diarrhoea and become weak. Eat more rabbit and you get worse and you eventually die of rabbit starvation unless you can supplement your diet with some vegetables and fatty meat.

The term hungry gap is only just past living memory. It means spring, when the last of the overwintered supplies are eaten or decayed and the new season's veggies aren't ready yet. Subsistance farming involved an annual cycle of near-starvation in Northern Europe, and in a bad year, it became real starvation.

Popperwell

Found this site...Interesting...

http://www.thenewiceage.com/

fuddle

GreyQueen wrote: »

For example, rabbits are plentiful but what a lot of people won't know if that their flesh is deficient in fat and vitamins. Eat rabbit, and your body will excrete fat and vitamins. If you don't replace them quickly, you get diarrhoea and become weak. Eat more rabbit and you get worse and you eventually die of rabbit starvation unless you can supplement your diet with some vegetables and fatty meat.

Wow :eek: I had no idea. I'dbetter leave my beagle collie cross behind then. He'll end up killing me :eek:

Pulling your leg hun, really, really interesting. That fact will stay with me now. I just hope I don't need to draw upon it :eek:

Butterfly_Brain

There is a true saying that we are only 9 meals away from anarchy, so if food stocks dried up there would be riots and looting within 3 days. New Orleans started breaking down on the third day after Katrina.
Just google and see what comes up....really scary stuff

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1024833/Nine-meals-anarchy--Britain-facing-real-food-crisis.html

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=5222.3512.0.0

http://www.naturalnews.com/028920_food_collapse_anarchy.html