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Cornucopia wrote: »

We can only speculate about how many (how few) of those people knew that they did not have to speak to "TVL".

I suspect the right to ignore them is less well known than we might imagine.

On a number of occasions, I've been asked what I will do when they visit me, to which I've replied "I'll ignore them, close the window and go back to whatever I was doing", to which they've responded "You can't do that. You have to let them in".

I've had a number of conversations with people who have been summonsed, after signing a TVL178, who say they only spoke to therm/let them in/signed the form, because "I thought I had to"/"I didn't know I could refuse".

It's interesting to note that, the right to refuse entry is stated on the licence, but not on the Threat-O-Grams.

It's almost as though they don't want unlicensed people to know their rights :huh:

pineapple

Flyboy152 wrote: »

If a police officer believes a crime is being committed, he can enter a premises.

Why bring police officers into it?
Just a reminder to anybody new to the discussion, Capita are NOT the police. And they have as much authority as the skin on a rice pudding.

Cornucopia

Bedsit_Bob wrote: »

It's almost as though they don't want unlicensed people to know their rights :huh:

They don't - I have a complaint response from someone high up in the BBC who essentially said: we don't tell people because we believe it would increase evasion and make enforcement harder.

The_Safordian

pineapple wrote: »

Why bring police officers into it?
Just a reminder to anybody new to the discussion, Capita are NOT the police. And they have as much authority as the skin on a rice pudding.

It does seem rather strange considering it's been pointed out to him before that it's nothing to do with the Police. The Police will only attend to stop a breach of the peace

Flyboy152

pineapple wrote: »

Why bring police officers into it?
Just a reminder to anybody new to the discussion, Capita are NOT the police. And they have as much authority as the skin on a rice pudding.

You need read more of the thread.

Cornucopia

Flyboy152 wrote: »

You need read more of the thread.

This is not helpful. Either make a point or don't make a post.

The Police are not involved in licence fee enforcement. That is a fact.

"TV Licensing" do not have Police powers. That is also a fact.

I'm not sure what else there is to say about the Police in this context, but perhaps you will enlighten us?

pineapple

Flyboy152 wrote: »

You need read more of the thread.

I've read enough to know that you seem to remain fixatedly on the side of the abuse of non existent authority.
It's a bit strange but hey ho, we are all entitled to our opinion.
Maybe you live in a black and white universe where anyone questionning Capita methods must be a licence dodging, fee dodging chav.
It must be a much simpler world - I almost envy you

Flyboy152

Cornucopia wrote: »

This is not helpful. Either make a point or don't make a post.

The Police are not involved in licence fee enforcement. That is a fact.

"TV Licensing" do not have Police powers. That is also a fact.

I'm not sure what else there is to say about the Police in this context, but perhaps you will enlighten us?

If you can't be bothered to read your own posts, why should I help you? But I suspect that if you did and had to admit your are creating nothing more than a logical fallacy and ad hominem arguments. If that is the scope of your debating skills, carry on; be my guest.

George_Michael

Originally Posted by Cornucopia
I'm not sure what else there is to say about the Police in this context, but perhaps you will enlighten us?

Flyboy152 wrote: »

If you can't be bothered to read your own posts, why should I help you?

Here we go again.
Using the "why should I help you" or "find it on Google" type of argument.
Don't you ever get bored with this Flyboy?? because many other posters certainly do.

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pineapple wrote: »

Why bring police officers into it?

It is getting a bit OT.

The facts are, BBC/TVL/Capita have no right of access without a warrant.

Likewise, you are not obliged to answer any of their questions, allow them to caution you, submit to an interview, or sign a TVL178.

They have no power of arrest (even if they did, they couldn't use it, because LF evasion is not an arrestable offence) or of seizure, even with a warrant.

Put simply, you are completely at liberty to ignore them.

If you tell them to leave, they are obliged, by their own "Standing Orders", to do so.

You are also free to photograph/video them, at which point they are obliged, by their own "Standing Orders", to leave.

Nor may they use the threat of a Search warrant, to pressure you into letting them in.

When you know all this, you realise how powerless they actually are.