'Truvelo' speeding

TraderDJ

I was definitely speeding when I went through one, it had just changed from a 70 to 60 (from 2 lanes into 1). I realised that as I went through it, and must have been going at least 68/69, so I'm over the 10% that's apparently allowed?

I know 1mph over is an offence etc, and fair enough if they do me for it - I was speeding and there's no real defence for it. Despite the fact I always wanted to drive to the limits (had some idiot behind me trying to push me over 70 earlier on when he couldn't overtake). That's why it's so upsetting to be done for it when it's what I was so cautious of avoiding! Just didn't register the change in time, which I accept is totally my own fault.

Was wondering what the chances of being prosecuted actually are for going say 70 in a 60?

I'm not even sure the camera went off, apparently they flash but not anywhere near as much as the old fashioned ones?? I never saw any flash at all, but it was sunny which can apparently affect the sight of it.

For now I'm assuming it has gone off, but if it has would they follow it up with instant 3 points and a fine? Is there any way to try and give mitigating circumstances (although they'd probably tell me to get lost, I think it's worth a try if it's allowed?). Or can I get on one of these 'speed awareness' courses? I know my friend was offered to do one (but had to pay through the nose to book onto it) for going well over 40 in a 30, which I think is a worse offence!.... presumably if I could get on that I wouldn't have to declare it on insurance etc so I'd much rather do that, if it's likely to be an option? Although we live in the same area, I was caught outside the area, presumably in another authority, so is it them that deals with it or the local police? If it's local I'm hoping they'd offer the course to me, as they did to him

Thanks if anyone can shed any light on what might happen!

Crabman

TraderDJ wrote: »

Despite the fact I always wanted to drive to the limits (had some idiot behind me trying to push me over 70 earlier on when he couldn't overtake). That's why it's so upsetting to be done for it when it's what I was so cautious of avoiding! Just didn't register the change in time, which I accept is totally my own fault.

Feel sorry for you (in future if you're tailgated, I'd suggest slowing down, it gives them a chance to overtake and also allows you more time to take in the signs, hazards, etc. and allows time to brake more gently so their headlights don't end up in your back seat).

The only thing you can do now is wait and see if you receive a NIP within 14 days.

If you do, I'd suggest you visit www.pepipoo.com for advice.

Some forces do speed awareness courses but the availability of those may depend on thresholds (i.e. how far over the limit you were).

TadleyBaggie

The ACPO guideline for prosecution is 10%+2, so that is 68 in a 60. Assuming that the 68-69 was based on your speedo, these usually overread by up to 10% or so, so you were probably going closer to 64-65 in reality. So there is a good chance nothing will come from this.

TraderDJ

Crabman wrote: »

Feel sorry for you (in future if you're tailgated, I'd suggest slowing down, it gives them a chance to overtake and also allows you more time to take in the signs, hazards, etc. and allows time to brake more gently so their headlights don't end up in your back seat).

The only thing you can do now is wait and see if you receive a NIP within 14 days.

If you do, I'd suggest you visit www.pepipoo.com for advice.

Some forces do speed awareness courses but the availability of those may depend on thresholds (i.e. how far over the limit you were).

Thank you for the advice. I will check out that website.

TadleyBaggie wrote: »

The ACPO guideline for prosecution is 10%+2, so that is 68 in a 60. Assuming that the 68-69 was based on your speedo, these usually overread by up to 10% or so, so you were probably going closer to 64-65 in reality. So there is a good chance nothing will come from this.

Thanks, hopefully that's the case. Yep my speedo was certainly saying under 70 when I went through it, as I looked again to make 100% I was under the limit, and then as I was through it I realised that the new limit was actually now 60!

So hopefully in reality it was more like 65 max and ok. Not really sure what to do about it now, as I'm no longer living at the address my car is registered at (have changed it but not had confirmation yet, so don't know which address the police will see).

My driving license is at my current address - would the police look at that and contact me that way? Or is it worth contacting the police myself (my local one, or the one where I was potentially snapped??) to tell them? As I'd imagine speed awareness courses, if offered, are time limited - and anyone that's seen to be ignoring them or taking the mick in replying will lose the chance and be given points and a fine instead?

DaveF327

TraderDJ wrote: »

it had just changed from a 70 to 60 (from 2 lanes into 1).

I know I'm clutching at straws here, but it's worth a try.. could it be that there is still a central reservation at the camera location despite the number of lanes reducing? If so, a road with one lane in each direction can still be classed as 70mph dual carriageway as long as there is a physical central divide. Even a grass verge could save you (or you could try to persuade a court that a dirt path could be an extension of a verge that could obfuscate the boundary between single and dual carriageway).

If you post the google streetview link of the camera, we may be able to clear this up.

TraderDJ

The central reservation had just ended. And it was a pavement at the roadside

To be fair looking back there are plenty of warning signs, then a national speed limit sign with a camera pic on, and then the camera just ahead of that, so totally my own fault and got to just accept it and hope they offer a speed awareness course or are lenient and don't process it....

muckybutt

TraderDJ wrote: »

My driving license is at my current address - would the police look at that and contact me that way? Or is it worth contacting the police myself (my local one, or the one where I was potentially snapped??) to tell them? As I'd imagine speed awareness courses, if offered, are time limited - and anyone that's seen to be ignoring them or taking the mick in replying will lose the chance and be given points and a fine instead?

No point in worrying or doing anything yet.

If you were snapped by the camera then the police will contact DVLA to get the registered keepers details which may or may not be you ? the registered keeper will then be asked if it was them that was snapped, if it wasnt the registered keeper driving they have 28 days to notify the police of the driver at the time's details.

There are certain criteria that you have to meet to be offered a driver awareness course, north yorks police guidelines are : if you were the driver and have admitted the offence within 28 days of getting the nip, no more than 12 weeks have passed since being snapped, no previous dac's within 3 years and you were driving at a speed within their criteria :

In a 60 limit between 68 and 75 inclusive you would be offered a dac, higher than that and its points and a fine.

So if you were going slower than 68 then chances are they wont take action and you will hear nowt, above 68 and they should offer you a sac dependant upon police force.

You just have to wait and see i'm afraid.

rev_henry

If you were doing less than 70 on the speedo I doubt you were going fast enough to get a ticket. I understand Truvelos have an infra red flash, which you can't see.

TraderDJ

muckybutt wrote: »

No point in worrying or doing anything yet.

If you were snapped by the camera then the police will contact DVLA to get the registered keepers details which may or may not be you ? the registered keeper will then be asked if it was them that was snapped, if it wasnt the registered keeper driving they have 28 days to notify the police of the driver at the time's details.

There are certain criteria that you have to meet to be offered a driver awareness course, north yorks police guidelines are : if you were the driver and have admitted the offence within 28 days of getting the nip, no more than 12 weeks have passed since being snapped, no previous dac's within 3 years and you were driving at a speed within their criteria :

In a 60 limit between 68 and 75 inclusive you would be offered a dac, higher than that and its points and a fine.

So if you were going slower than 68 then chances are they wont take action and you will hear nowt, above 68 and they should offer you a sac dependant upon police force.

You just have to wait and see i'm afraid.

Thanks, I am the registered keeper, if the sale has been processed anyway. The issue is that it's won't be at my current address whether it's processed or not (I used a different one on the V5).

I've looked on the police site, the guidelines are the same as you say for this area too, and that somebody must reply within 28 days.

The 28 day reply won't happen unless they do the donkey work and chase me because I will never receive a NIP sent to the address the DVLA hold (I know it needs changing again ASAP). If they looked into electoral roll/credit card info etc they'd easily find me, but I doubt they'd bother as it's not a major crime - unless they wanted to take me to court.

I emailed them basically saying I may have been slightly speeding, gave them my car reg and current address & phone number and said can you have a look and see if I was or not, and contact me as I'd be eligible to take the speeding awareness stuff but won't be if I ignore it. They have passed it on to the ticketing team, so will see what they say!

Hopefully that solves it, one way or another! And my friends said I was crazy for possibly 'dropping myself in it', but surely they can't prosecute without evidence so if nothing was picked up the worst I get is a stern warning letter?

rev_henry wrote: »

If you were doing less than 70 on the speedo I doubt you were going fast enough to get a ticket. I understand Truvelos have an infra red flash, which you can't see.

Thanks, I really hope that's the case!