Just received 'Housing Benefit changes' letter, not sure of the implications.

heathcote123

princessdon wrote: »

I don't know them all personally so I agree that was a throw away comment BUT if you look at the "going rental rate" for a HMO that allows social tennants it can't be a suprise that it is equal to the rate paid by the LA. I know friends whose rents increase to the exact amount of the LA increase each year etc.

Hey it's OK to make things up online, don't worry about it.

But seriously, when you are talking about HMO's, what exactly to you expect landlords to do?

It's a business, and you get a lot of crap/losses renting to dolies, why would you not charge the maximum possible?

princessdon

I have no problems with them making money - It's their business and of course they want to maximise profits, otherwise it isn't a business.

The reply was to the lady who said we should feel very sorry for landlords who may have to lower rates. If they do have to lower rates many will still make a profit (maybe just not as much) and that is part of life and business.

whitelabel

Dunroamin wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point that they've only ever had this choice because someone else has been paying for it!

my friend was working full time and also self employed before 2010 having moved in to the property in 2007
it is only since then they claimed in 2010
as a result of illness - cancer to be exact along with anxiety,
depression and other mental afflictions that go with it,


This isnt some thing new, HB has been around for a long time

I think that "council houses for life" are wrong and even worse and people who have no need for large houses yet pay a smaller rent, and have the option to purchase way below value is scandalous
the "healthy" people in these should be moved to smaller properties or made to pay more rent to stay in a larger house if they wish, to cover the cost of the needs of the genuine ill who can not do so them selves

the irony is that my friend isnt able to get a priority on a housing list due to the shortage of properies and the long waiting list (2 years+) yet if he was in one, even if he was single and paying a higher rent to the council than he currently receives... they would pay the HB in full !

Im not talking about 4, 5 and 6 bed houses fully paid for for immigrants and the like but people who cant work and pay for themselves who already live in small 1 bed places and not smart river side locations like some may think

as a tax payer myself they are exactly the sort of people that Id like to think our hard earned taxes are helping

heathcote123 wrote: »

You're losing me here - why are the majority of able bodied under 35 year olds genuinely unable to work?

Im referring to the majority of those group of people who are genuinely unable to work, I made no mention of them being able bodied
By being genuinely unable to work, I mean people who have been deemed unable to work (short or long term) by the government nazi outsource department known as ATOS and awarded ESA

If they can pass their tests, then believe me they genuinely cant work
yet the new HB changes only exempt people who are in receipt of middle or higher DLA, which those on ESA may not be entitled too
the criteria are far apart for the two

whitelabel

daimonde wrote: »

the LA probably sends these letters out on a weekly basis, its probably a template with just dates to be added in. they appear to have a trigger for them at two months before the change. My LA has similar, we also sent out an initial letter about 6months in advance, this 2nd one almost a courtesy reminder. Cant say all LAs do the same theres a lot of changes within LAs.
....

can I ask what is your view of the wording of the letter ?

Clear or misleading ?
Is it similar to your LAs ?

:
You will have been told of the changes to the Local Housing Allowance rates from April 2011 and would have been given nine months protection from these changes. You will not be affected by the change to the shared accommodation rate until the nine months has ended.
The nine months start from 2 August 2012 when we carried out your first Housing Benefit yearly assessment

heathcote123

whitelabel wrote: »

my friend was working full time and also self employed before 2010
it is only since then they claimed
as a result of illness - cancer to be exact along with anxiety,
depression and other mental afflictions that go with it,


This isnt some thing new, HB has been around for a long time

I think that "council houses for life" are wrong and even worse and people who have no need for large houses yet pay a smaller rent, and have the option to purchase way below value is scandalous
the "healthy" people in these should be moved to smaller properties or made to pay more rent to stay in a larger house if they wish, to cover the cost of the needs of the genuine ill who can not do so them selves

Im not talking about 5 and 6 bed houses fully paid for for immigrants and the like but people who cant work and pay for themselves

as a tax payer myself they are exactly the sort of people that Id like to think our hard earned taxes are helping



Im referring to the majority of those group of people who are genuinely unable to work, I made no mention of them being able bodied
By being genuinely unable to work, I mean people who have been deemed unable to work (short or long term) by the government nazi outsource department known as ATOS and awarded ESA

If they can pass their tests, then believe me they genuinely cant work
yet the new HB changes only exempt people who are in receipt of middle or higher DLA, which those on ESA may not be entitled too
the criteria are far apart for the two

Oh dear, you do know you just lost the arguament don't you?

whitelabel

heathcote123 wrote: »

Oh dear, you do know you just lost the arguament don't you?

I dont remember staring an "argument" at all

I simply asked a question and felt the need to respond to people who I felt were jumping down my throat and misinterpreting what I was asking/saying

please enlighten me oh wise one how I have "lost" ?

heathcote123

whitelabel wrote: »

I dont remember staring an "argument" at all

I simply asked a question and felt the need to respond to people who I felt were jumping down my throat and misinterpreting what I was asking/saying

please enlighten me oh wise one how I have "lost" ?

Welcome to the Internet!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

whitelabel

heathcote123 wrote: »

Welcome to the Internet!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

while i admit that is a new one on me and not one I equally have ever used before so it is seems the adage that "Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of comparisons should be avoided" is true as in this case the comparison is appropriate !
... that one "word" aside

I hope the rest of my points "argument" is clearer, valid and not misinterpreted

to discount it all on that one word /law (which I didnt know existed due to my lack of similar discussion experience on t'internet) would be lame

heathcote123

whitelabel wrote: »

while i admit that is a new one on me and not one I equally have ever used before so it is seems the adage that "Precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of comparisons should be avoided" is true as in this case the comparison is appropriate !
... that one "word" aside

I hope the rest of my points "argument" is clearer, valid and not misinterpreted

to discount it all on that one word /law (which I didnt know existed due to my lack of similar discussion experience on t'internet) would be lame

I am sorry, but ignorance is no defence in the eyes of Godwins law.

"Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Nazis"

I declare this thread closed. :P

Dunroamin

heathcote123 wrote: »

Oh dear, you do know you just lost the arguament don't you?

As far as I'm concerned, s/he lost the argument (and any sympathy) when s/he said,

"Im not talking about 4, 5 and 6 bed houses fully paid for for immigrants and the like"