Location of a gas cooker in kitchen - regulations?

gas4you

I assume Kitchen DesignR is referring to a hard wired 30amp supply and not a normal plug and socket.

mikey72

You sure even that is in part P? Not notifiable on page 8, new cooker, replace the outlet like for like, even down to replacing the cable running to it. http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/AD_P_wm.pdf

festool_frank

osian wrote: »

We're trying to plan out a new kitchen.

Currently our gas cooker is located in the corner of the kitchen as this is where the cooker point and gas pipe is.

We went to B&Q this week for a kitchen plan and the man was talking us through our options and we said we'd like to keep the cooker in its current location. He got a bit upset and said that we needed to move it to the other side of the kitchen as we needed 300mm of worktop either side and not near a wall etc. We agreed to let him plan out the kitchen with the cooker on the other side.

Anyway we spoke to an electrician tonight and he said that it would be extremely difficult to move the cooker electric point due to the layout of the kitchen/house.

I just want to know is it illegal to keep the cooker in its current position, I've had a look online and I can only see recommendations for new builds. The guy in B&Q said we wouldn't be able to claim on house insurance if we had a cooker fire, yet this question has never been asked by any insurance companies of ours.

Be grateful if anyone knows the deal on this - thanks.

you dont need 300mm of worktop to either side..or they would not be able to sell free standing cookers..

I would guess that 60% of all kitchen problems arise from poor salesmen/designers.

go to a local kitchen manufacturer, ask to see some of their past work and speak to existing customers..
B&Q are imported Chinese carcases..keep the money within the local area

mikey72

Kitchen_DesignR wrote: »

Part P.

The replacement of Cookers is not notifiable unless a new circuit is needed.

You'll only need a 32a supply of its a Double oven and/or electric hob.

But Single ovens don't now come with a cable. So they're not plug n go.
You should be a qualified electrican and regisatered to fit the correct cable otherwise your house insurance is void.
Therefore it would be covered under Part P.

You're have to point that out, as I can't find that in the regs I quoted above.

jc808

Kitchen_DesignR wrote: »

You should be a qualified electrican and regisatered to fit the correct cable otherwise your house insurance is void.
Therefore it would be covered under Part P.

Really? Who says?

mikey72

jc808 wrote: »

Really? Who says?

Didn't answer me, and the link to part P was in my post.

jc808

AFAIK, hardwiring something may well invoke part p but the unit wouldnt be hardwired - its cabled and plugged by the user then pushed into an unreachable socket that has a countertop isolation switch. no different to plugging in a washing machine really (no part p)

As for wiring the cooker, ignore the instructions, they are not regulations (Although you may invalidate a warranty by not following their recommenadtions) and im sure theres nothing in part p about putting a plug on a device (As it deals with installations) happy to be corrected though

IMHO as long as you are a competent person and can source the correct psarts (Heatproof wire, a plug and 13a fuse etc) you can do it yourself. If you try and contact the manufacturer to ask what cabl;e to use they will blow you out and refer you to an electrician

mikey72

jc808 wrote: »

AFAIK, hardwiring something may well invoke part p but the unit wouldnt be hardwired - its cabled and plugged by the user then pushed into an unreachable socket that has a countertop isolation switch. no different to plugging in a washing machine really (no part p)

As for wiring the cooker, ignore the instructions, they are not regulations (Although you may invalidate a warranty by not following their recommenadtions) and im sure theres nothing in part p about putting a plug on a device (As it deals with installations) happy to be corrected though

IMHO as long as you are a competent person and can source the correct psarts (Heatproof wire, a plug and 13a fuse etc) you can do it yourself. If you try and contact the manufacturer to ask what cabl;e to use they will blow you out and refer you to an electrician

Nothing in part P about cookers with or without plugs. Like for like is allowed, either using the old cable, or replacing it. Although I wouldn't recommend it, as I've replaced more with the wrong cable than the right one, and always fit a new cable of the right spec.

geraint690

Kitchen_DesignR wrote: »

In the same note with electrics.
Even if you connect an existing oven to the original socket.
You need a Part P registered electrician and the connection has to meet Part P.
This may require a new ring main being installed.

Either way, new Kitchens with a gas appliances needs two new certificates with them GAS and PART P

You are talking complete and utter rubbish..... Stick to designing kitchens....

lainiebabes

Hi everyone

I recently moved into a council home and when I was shown the house I was told a new kitchen would be getting installed. 5 months down the line they are saying they made a mistake and that not due a new kitchen until 2018.

I can live with that (just) but my query is that due to the electric point for the cooker, my electric cooker is now completely freestanding with no worktops to either side. Not only does it look ridiculous but I am concerned about the safety aspect as I have a 2 year old who could reach the cooker hob from either side. Have avoided this by keeping kitchen door closed whilst cooking. There is also no extraction in the kitchen so having to open window.

Are the council obliged to rectify this for me and or I am I liable for the costs myself which would be impossible for me to afford right now.

Would really appreciate any advice, Many Thanks )