Unbelievable CSA / DWP Story.

Marisco

CSA_Help wrote: »

Thats a good point Nicky about the child benefit.

I got a letter from our friedly bunch at the csa stating that child maintenance was stopping as he is no longer eligble for Child Benefit. It turns out they opened the case back up when PWC phoned them up and complained. I still havent got a letter confiming this.

What the hell is wrong with some PWC's? Do they expect the NRP to support them for life? PWC's know when CM will finish, why don't they make provision for the loss? It's the same with CB and CTC, how many times have we seen people whinging that they are going to lose £xxx when the "child" reaches a certain age!! It's like Xmas, everyone knows it's coming and most know when it is!!!:D

kevin137

nicky3 wrote: »

Where does is say in legislation that where there is child benefit, there is automatically a right to child support? I don't believe it says so anywhere! Personally I would stop paying right away. I dont believe that child benefit is relevant. I do believe that the CSA USE it as an excuse not to make the appropriate decisions.

Can anyone dig up the relevant info on this...?

Surely if it is NOT linked and ICE have got onto it, then the CSA are committing has fraud....!

By advising that there are cutoff points relating to CM and by collecting money for CS then they are potentially leaving themselves open to huge amounts of legal action...!

I understand them having to have some kind of proof, but using something that is heavily abused is potentially costly to the government...!

Personally, i would be oe to fight if there is in fact no legislation that says that if one is paid the other must be...! It is a real p*ss take that they use this anyway...!

PreludeForTimeFeelers

Child Benefit is used as an indicator for the simple reason that there is a lot of overlap in what is used as evidence as a definition of a child.

For CSA to be payable when the child is aged between 16 and 19 they should be in full-time education - which is the same for child benefit. The CSA are a Govt department, and as such they use information from other Government departments like child benefit.

Marisco

Yes but in the cases like the ones here, where CB isn't supposed to be paid, but they don't seem to be able to get their act together, is it actually law that CM has to be paid if CB is? Or is it just something the CSA use as a guidline? In other words what would happen if you told the CSA to take a hike?

If the "child" has left school and is not going back to education in any shape or form, why should the NRP keep paying, just 'cos the CB dept are slow off the mark iyswim.

kevin137

Marisco wrote: »

Yes but in the cases like the ones here, where CB isn't supposed to be paid, but they don't seem to be able to get their act together, is it actually law that CM has to be paid if CB is? Or is it just something the CSA use as a guidline? In other words what would happen if you told the CSA to take a hike?

If the "child" has left school and is not going back to education in any shape or form, why should the NRP keep paying, just 'cos the CB dept are slow off the mark iyswim.

My point exactly....

Is it law/legislation or just some crap that the CSA has been feeding from for the last xx number of years...

If it is that later they could find themselves in huge problems, and it never crossed my mind they where using something that was NOT legislation... But if ICE has reportedly said it is NOT, then they could have a back lash against them of huge proportions...!

Marisco

It must be like other things that are repeated so often, it's taken as gospel and no one questions it!! It's time this "urban myth" was questioned and challenged!! I almost wish I still had dealings with them!!!!:D (not really, I'm joking!! ) But if I did, I would certainly challenge it, I wouldn't cough up without seeing it in "black and white". It suits them for everyone to believe it, and makes you wonder what else they are bullsh***ing about!!! :mad:

WYSPECIAL

cosmic-dust wrote: »

Breaks in your child's education or training


You must tell the Child Benefit Office if there is a break to your child's education or training. They need to know so that they can work out whether you can still get Child Benefit. They can usually carry on paying Child Benefit for up to six months if there is a good reason for the break, for example:

• your child is ill
• your child is moving from one college to another
• if someone is ill or has died that is close to your child
• your child is pregnant

You can't normally get Child Benefit if your child has taken a voluntary break in education or training that counts for Child Benefit. For example, if they travel overseas for personal reasons.
Your child might not go back into education or training that counts for Child Benefit. If they don't you may have to pay back some of the Child Benefit you got during the break. The amount will depend on when your child decided not to go back.
The Child Benefit Office may be able to pay Child Benefit for longer than six months. This could be if your child is in hospital, residential care or getting medical treatment abroad, and you still spend money on them.



http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/childbenefit/keep-up-to-date/when-child-aged-16/further-education.htm

But she isn't pregnant!

You ought to appeal this as by CSA definitions your daughter appears to not be a QC as she isn't in full time education.

I wouldn't advise non-payment. As a soft target they will start chasing you within minutes.

WYSPECIAL

duchy wrote: »

Do you think because she has given birth she no longer needs shelter, food, electricity etc ? Not exactly the poster boy for parents or grandparents are you ?

Think I might point this theory out to my Mum I could do with some extra cash as looking after the kids limits my earning capacity. If it leaves her short it's unlucky that my grandparents are no longer with us or they could have subsidised her.:rotfl:

cosmic-dust

WYSPECIAL wrote: »

But she isn't pregnant!

You ought to appeal this as by CSA definitions your daughter appears to not be a QC as she isn't in full time education.

I wouldn't advise non-payment. As a soft target they will start chasing you within minutes.

If she has just given birth it will still cover her.

WYSPECIAL

PreludeForTimeFeelers wrote: »

Child Benefit is used as an indicator for the simple reason that there is a lot of overlap in what is used as evidence as a definition of a child.

For CSA to be payable when the child is aged between 16 and 19 they should be in full-time education - which is the same for child benefit. The CSA are a Govt department, and as such they use information from other Government departments like child benefit.

I think they originally started using CB as an indicator to establish who was PWC and who was NRP in disputed cases. They decided that PWC is person getting CB