managers cherry picking their favourites....

coinxoperated

Everybody knows this happens... or so I thought! Unfortunatly, if you 'face fits' it'll generally stay! Yes its harsh, but thats why you make every effort to be the best!

linux_geek

Im on the receiving end of this at the moment and it feels terrible can tell you management has changed structure and now

my face dose not fit and even though my states are better than others on the "team" I'm having to go through an disciplinary process.

To tell the truth its making me feel so ill that Ive considered doing myself in but keep going on, was driving to work the other day and wanted someone to crash into me just to finish it

CrazyRed

linux_geek wrote: »

Im on the receiving end of this at the moment and it feels terrible can tell you management has changed structure and now

my face dose not fit and even though my states are better than others on the "team" I'm having to go through an disciplinary process.

To tell the truth its making me feel so ill that Ive considered doing myself in but keep going on, was driving to work the other day and wanted someone to crash into me just to finish it

From someone who is going through exactly the same thing as you are (albeit in an even more underhand way - certain managers have got all the members of the team I work with "watching" me and writing/signing reports for HR - I can understand exactly how you feel.

However, if you do what you have suggested then the only person that has hurt is you and those in your family you leave behind - no employer's worth doing that for.

Go to your GP and ask about being signed off with work-related stress and see what happens then - get yourself away from the place for a while, and in the position where they CANNOT ask you to work - and spend your time and efforts in looking for another position with another company who will value your work ethic, experience and skill-set.

I wish you luck, and please keep us updated on your progress.

Valli

Jaketake wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry to hear about your situation. How do you prove these things if you do go to tribunal?

Without a paper trail you have no chance. And there will be more than one paper trail;)

londoner1998

an9i77 wrote: »

I'm more than aware, believe me, but it still makes me angry. I just feel sorry for the poor sod I have to tell is out of a job, knowing that according to her real score she should be staying.

Also it's not just what they did, but the way they did it. If they'd said, well the scores are only an indication but we are gonna use managerial discretion (not publicly, but to the HR team) that wouldnt' have been so bad - but the way they rescored this one person, and only this person, to ensure that she just beat the other person just seemed really sly.

Maybe if I have this sense of injustice I am in the wrong job??

Yes, I think you are in the wrong job. If only more people came out clean like you and told it like it is... I have been through this twice in a year and I am now redundant. I was also the last one inand therefore the fist one out, with a lower redundancy payment that other colleagues, due to seniority. Nothing to do with enthusiasm or anything like that. If it had been due to enthusiasm and attitude, I'd still be there, as I had been doing more senior work (without extra pay, of course) and saved the company thousands by using my skills instead of hiring extra staff. I have also gone through the whole scoring thing and when challenged, I wish I had taken a picture of their faces, because they clearly didn't expect a minion like me to challenge the interview score in detail. They admitted they had no answer. You can imagine how I felt. I am now unemployed, looking for work full time and getting slightly fed up with it. BUT, I know in the long term it is for the better, as the last six months of work with those people showed me I am not cut out to work with individuals like that, it was sheer hell, the fake smiles and bogus 'team meetings to talk about the next steps' when they had already decided which of us were already roadkill. Like you said, is how they do it that really is insulting.
Like you, I have a strong sense of what is fair or not and I had seen a colleague going through this a year before, which made me incredibly stressed and sad. It was a witch-hunt , and who could have said that I would be next in line.

All I can do is to keep going and give thanks I don't have to work surrounded by that toxic atmosphere of smoke and mirrors in which the ones that stay by and large are the mates of whoever is making the decision. I don't know what to say, other than you have restored my faith in HR and Humanity. I guess not all are bad...
May be a change of careers is in the cards, if you feel like this and are finding it hard?

londoner1998

... or more than a career change, a company change. If you are good at your job, you might be able to influence and contribute to a better strategy in a company that is more inclined to do things properly.

Progress

Just stumbled across this and thought I’d throw my 2p in. I work within HR as an internal recruiter for a large organisation.

In regards to testing; testing is recommended to be used as a 'tool' in overall decision making. It's not recommended that people make decisions based purely on this one thing (as others have mentioned below regarding attitude etc etc) simply because a psychometric test or any other test does not mean the person will be great in the role, have the best attitude, work as well as they can, gel with the team and a whole host of other factors.

I wouldn’t say it’s unfair that the manager doesn’t wish to offer this person as they will be working within their team; and a manager needs to feel comfortable and confident that he/she is selecting the best person for the job.

Ultimately a fair recruitment process would include measuring a number of different areas but as a minimum at least:

A) Testing
Interview (With more than one person and objective measurements)

I don't think you are in the wrong job; but I feel you maybe need to become comfortable with the fact the employment decisions are not soley based on tests (and shouldn't be)

Snowingagain

I always thought that you could take it to tribunal if there is bias in the scoring.

caeler

Your post makes me angry. If your CIPD qualified there is a code of practice and that means we're supposed to do something about that sort of thing. Lots of people come on these boards for reassurance and basically your suggesting that HR have no power or influence to make sure companies get it right and will standby and let it happen.

Now in practice I have seen this happen too and it is very important when using interviewing as part of selection for redundancy (or any selection) to make sure people can actually do the job as well as saying they can do the job, some people interview well others don't but that doesn't mean they are capable. It can be hard to make the business understand the best course of action but that is our job!!

I hope you had a word with your boss afterwards to clarify matters, perhaps they understood the situation better and could explain to you how the course of action might have been appropriate because the scoring was genuinely inaccurate. I'm about to commence redundancy consultation for over 100 employees and you can be sure I'll be challenging any selection activity and yes rescoring might happen quite legitimately but it will be fair (not like you suggest).