Newly made redundant - csa say oh still pays

Marisco

grass_is_greener wrote: »

Is this not the case with people still on csa1? I'm pretty sure its not applicable for csa2 NRP's. Well, I certainly hope not anyway as I think that is really unfair.

I know they take the NRPP's income into account (although they say they don't, but they do!!) on CSA1, but I don't know if that would be the case if the NRP didn't have any income at all!! I really can't see how they can take an NRPP's income, as it's got absolutely nothing to do with the PWC!

It seems that the CSA has told blatant lies, I would send them proof of no income, and tell them to go to hell!!:mad:

Woody76

Well I ended up just paying as didnt want to risk an attatchment of earnings which thye told me would be for more money. Stupid maybe but that was what I did as our "case worker" was a right b**** and didnt listen to anything.

In the end my husbands ex went to csa and asked them to stop taking payments and we now pay her direct in an informal arrangement which is much better as we can pay via clothes or stuff child needs if she wants so husband feels like he is contributing more.

It might sound wrong but this actually happened and the csa dont give a crap about who they stomp over as long as they get their cut.

Woody xx

WYSPECIAL

Marisco wrote: »

I know they take the NRPP's income into account (although they say they don't, but they do!!) on CSA1, but I don't know if that would be the case if the NRP didn't have any income at all!! I really can't see how they can take an NRPP's income, as it's got absolutely nothing to do with the PWC!

It seems that the CSA has told blatant lies, I would send them proof of no income, and tell them to go to hell!!:mad:

They only take NRPP income into account on the Protected Income part of the calculation so an assessment would never go up as a result of the NRPP wages. If you don't give NRPP the always threaten a Cat B IMA which sounds really threatening but when yu do the maths makes no difference in 90% of cases.

I would imagine that there aren't that many cases left on CS1 now but I think few will lament its passing away into history.

Marisco

WYSPECIAL wrote: »

They only take NRPP income into account on the Protected Income part of the calculation so an assessment would never go up as a result of the NRPP wages. If you don't give NRPP the always threaten a Cat B IMA which sounds really threatening but when yu do the maths makes no difference in 90% of cases.

I would imagine that there aren't that many cases left on CS1 now but I think few will lament its passing away into history.

What I mean is that if a NRPP is working, or has income, then the NRP is deemed to have more disposable income, as it is assumed that the NRPP is paying half of the household bills, so it leaves more money for the CSA to take off the NRP.

If an NRPP is not working, then they can only assess on the NRP's income, which will be less as s/he will be paying everything him/her self, leaving less disposable income to grab from.

CSA1 was a bloody nightmare, my oh would have been paying half of what he did, if he'd have been on CSA2!! But as I keep saying, although it's not much consolation to those going through it, kids grow up and freedom beckons!! Happy days!!:)

jarhead66

CSA1 is a complete nightmare i have been on CSA1 since 2000 dispite being told by the CSA in 2006 that everyone will be moving over, I have got 1yr 7 months of CSA1 then i can start to live again, my girlfriend can even move in with me and the CSA can't do a thing about it, if she were to move in now my payments would go up from the £469 amonth that i am paying for my son now, I just hope that one day all of us who where forced to use CSA1 are compensated by the govement for being stuck on a totally unfair scheme, i think that there are about 150000 of us poor unfortunate soles stuck on CSA1, if i was on CSA2 i would be paying £260 amonth role on 2014!!! FREEDOM!!

PreludeForTimeFeelers

jarhead66 wrote: »

CSA1 is a complete nightmare i have been on CSA1 since 2000 dispite being told by the CSA in 2006 that everyone will be moving over, I have got 1yr 7 months of CSA1 then i can start to live again, my girlfriend can even move in with me and the CSA can't do a thing about it, if she were to move in now my payments would go up from the £469 amonth that i am paying for my son now, I just hope that one day all of us who where forced to use CSA1 are compensated by the govement for being stuck on a totally unfair scheme, i think that there are about 150000 of us poor unfortunate soles stuck on CSA1, if i was on CSA2 i would be paying £260 amonth role on 2014!!! FREEDOM!!

There are approx 300,000 nil assessments on 'old rules cases' currently, and about half of these would increase to actual assessments under new rules/CS2.
I thought NRPP income doesn't increase your actual assessment on old rules, it just means that you're able to more of the assessment that is in place? Eg, assessment in place for £300 per month, no partner so CSA say due to protected income the NRP can pay £200 of the assessment...then with partner the NRP can afford to pay the full assessment, and therefore might have to pay the £300?
I could be wrong, as I've never dealt with old rules cases.

skibadee

PreludeForTimeFeelers wrote: »

There are approx 300,000 nil assessments on 'old rules cases' currently, and about half of these would increase to actual assessments under new rules/CS2.
I thought NRPP income doesn't increase your actual assessment on old rules, it just means that you're able to more of the assessment that is in place? Eg, assessment in place for £300 per month, no partner so CSA say due to protected income the NRP can pay £200 of the assessment...then with partner the NRP can afford to pay the full assessment, and therefore might have to pay the £300?
I could be wrong, as I've never dealt with old rules cases.

So they do take the NRPP's income into account !!

Oh and we are still on CSA1 and have been for 15yrs!

Marisco

PreludeForTimeFeelers wrote: »

There are approx 300,000 nil assessments on 'old rules cases' currently, and about half of these would increase to actual assessments under new rules/CS2.
I thought NRPP income doesn't increase your actual assessment on old rules, it just means that you're able to more of the assessment that is in place? Eg, assessment in place for £300 per month, no partner so CSA say due to protected income the NRP can pay £200 of the assessment...then with partner the NRP can afford to pay the full assessment, and therefore might have to pay the £300?
I could be wrong, as I've never dealt with old rules cases.

Yes you're right, I probably used the wrong wording when I used assessment But whichever way you cut it, if you have a working NRPP, the NRP will have to pay more (the full assessment if you like) so an NRPP's income is taken into account, because if they didn't have a partner or one that doesn't work, then they would pay less of the assessment.

jarhead66

yes it is just CSA1 that take the N.R.P.P. into account when doing an assesment, They normally work out that the N.R.P.P. can pay half of any housing costs, as in my case the CSA told me that my payments would go up from £469 amonth to approx £600 amonth for my son if my G/F moved in with me!! CSA2 is just worked out on the percentage of the N.R.P. wage

RAS

Presumably he is going to sign on?