Dla pip for women of pension age

er_indoors

I know there has been a lot on this subject but for some it is not so easy to understand.

For eg: As I understand it PIP will take over from DLA Oct 2013 for eligible working people on the day it is introduced. 16-64 year olds
Children under 16 and over 65 will not have to apply and will continue
To get DLA. (I hope I have this right)

What happens to the women who were born between 6th APril 1950-5th April 1955? When retirement age started to change, was 60
So if your retirement age is say Dec 2012 and you would be aged 61
What happens when PIP is introduced and would be aged 62?

I know common sense tells me that if you get a state pension and get DLA you should be classed as non working age, therefore entitled to stay on DLA for as long as you qualify.
It's the wording the bothers me up to 64.

I would love to know if anybody has the answer or even an opinion.

zaksmum

I was wondering this too. Women of this age will not be reassessed for ESA when on Incapacity Benefit and will actually in many cases, be past retirement age when the PIP comes in, but under 65.

Can anyone enlighten us please?

Anubis_2

The cut off point will still be 64 I believe.

er_indoors

Isn't this some kind of age or sex discrimination? Surely if you are getting a pension from the Government your not of working age.

The DWP website say's DLA will be replaced by PIP from Oct 2013 for
16-64 eligible working age on the day it is introduced.
Until Aug 2010 the working age was defined by them as 16-64 for men and 16-59 for women.
From then on the working age was defined as 16-64 for statistical purpose.

It would be interesting to know what a top lawyer would make of this.

Richie-from-the-Boro

- males born before 06/12/53, the current State Pension age is 65
- females born 05/04/50 but before 06/12/53 their State Pension age is between 60 and 65

so;

- if you are a female born on or after 06/04/53 ar a male born on or after 06/12/53 these changes will affect you
- current law 'on the books' say pension age will increase to 67 between 2034 and 2036 and 68 between 2044 and 2046
- here is a [scroll down] list of age examples including years and months for those who find it difficult

If you currently get IB / SDA or IS because of an illness or disability these benefits will be phased out in which case your claim will be reviewed [questionnaire then WCA] to see if you are capable of work / or / can get other [Jobseekers Allowance Income Support for other reasons Pension Credit] benefits. If your already in receipt of claim ESA and reach retirement [SPA] before 06/04/2013 you will not be affected.

State pension age calculator is at the bottom of this page.

er_indoors

Thank you State pension age 2012 Yes on IB but assume when pension starts that will stop anyway.

Boy it is all so complicated.

Anubis_2

Put simply, anybody (male or female) that in October 2013 is not either under 16 or 65 or older will have their DLA award terminated and they will have to be re-assessed under PIP.

No ones award will be terminated, they will be invited to apply for PIP while on DLA. It will be a transfer process.

moose1982

sangio wrote: »

Put simply, anybody (male or female) that in October 2013 is not either under 16 or 65 or older will have their DLA award terminated and they will have to be re-assessed under PIP.

No arguments - that is what they have said. All sorts of anomalies will arise as you are pointing out together with people who may be 68 before they get round to re-assessing them. For those, fail the mobility element and they can never ever make another claim due to being over 65 three years before they are re-assessed.

Comments so far given to me by AgeUK, is that up to 50% of those receiving HRM with DLA will fail to achieve the equivalent under PIP due simply because they might have problems walking but do not use a wheelchair.

No doubt we will see a rise in the number of wheelchairs being offered on Ebay early next year at inflated prices!!!

But let's be serious something had to be done as DLA claims & awards were getting completely out of hand.

Slightly off-topic I know, but a member who was called andyandflo used to extremely say similar things.

On-topic, yup, it's confusing!

Richie-from-the-Boro

I posted this for the group yonks ago - DLA & for people aged 65 or state pension age, whichever is higher.

Personal Independence Payment will allow a claimant to continue to receive their existing award for as long as they satisfy the entitlement conditions, regardless of any upper age limit. Renewal claims on fixed term awards which expire after someone reaches the upper age limit will also be permitted to allow someone to continue receiving Personal Independence Payment where they satisfy the entitlement conditions.

Where someone in receipt of DLA after the age of 65 loses entitlement to the benefit, perhaps because their condition has improved or they have submitted a renewal claim late, linking rules allow for a new claim to be made for DLA within one year of the expiry of the old claim. Such a claim allows for an individual to re-establish entitlement to either component of DLA they were receiving before, or to establish a new entitlement to the middle or highest rate care component, but does not allow for a new or higher entitlement to the mobility component. Where someone establishes entitlement to a previously received component they do not have to satisfy a qualifying period.

Natural reassessment – where an existing DLA claimant enters the reassessment process due to reporting a change in their care or mobility needs which might affect their award [ supersession ] or where a fixed-term award comes to an end [ renewal]

and;

Managed reassessment – where the Department initiates the reassessment process. We intend to select people randomly other than where they fall in to specific groups where a different timetable for reassessment may be required. An example of where we may want to take someone out of the random approach, or randomly select but to a managed timetable, would be those people turning 65 during the reassessment period – particularly for the period from April 2013 to February 2014

and;

From October 2013 any (1) recipient of DLA reporting a change in their care or mobility needs will be invited to claim Personal Independence Payment. We will also begin inviting claims to Personal Independence Payment from people whose (2) existing fixed-term award expires from March 2014 onwards.


NOTE 1: DLA & for people aged 65 or state pension age, whichever is higher will continue to receive their existing award for as long as they remain entitled.

NOTE 2: PIP is not even introduced till the 8th April 2013 it applies to all those on both fixed and indefinite awards.

NOTE 4: Lets hope they keep their promise to ensure those serving injured as a result of that service are able to access the right support.

NOTE 3: my own edit of the underline, bold and italic font

Anubis_2

sangio wrote: »

And if you had have read my other postings you would have seen that I stated that if you don't want to apply for PIP (which many will do as they know that they are on a hiding to nowhere) their DLA will be terminated.

Or maybe you are suggesting that there is another catgeory, one for those that don't want to claim PIP but still feel that they have needs which were covered by DLA and that there is no real reason for them to lose out?

I think we should do a poll of all DLA recipients on this site that believe that they will lose out with PIP and whether they are prepared to put the effort in to claim it knowing that it is a lost cause.

There is no transfer about it. You are to be asked if you want to claim a different benefit entirely as DLA is being abolished.
Using the word 'transfer' implies that you will move from one to the other.

It's no different to being asked if you would like to claim JSA having failed the ESA assessment. If you say no, you will get no money. It's a totally different benefit, with different rules and regulations.

Cobblers. Utter nonesense. You think mobility PIP is all about a wheelchair and you are hugely mistaken. There is no need for anyone not to claim when invited.

I draw you attention to the FULL requirements for enhanced rate mobility and not just the two little wheelchair pointers you keep focusing on to scare people http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=53419193&postcount=30

Richie-from-the-Boro

Benefits Roadmap from HoCL

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