Part P - double checking

wiggly

Hi everyone

I just want to double check with the clued up people here that I'm understanding Part P properly

I would like to add new sockets to my rooms, and change the type of light in the bathroom from a central light to inset lights (the little ones)

Am I right in thinking neither of those activities need Part P certification/notification?

Also some of the cable work in this house is encased in plastic trunking on the wall rather than being seated within the wall itself, am I right in thinking that re-seating the cable into the wall properly DOES require notification?

thanks :T

baldelectrician

Anything in a bathroom requires Part P, with the exception of direct replacements. Taking a light down and replacing with one in same place.

There is a difference- you are changing from one light to more than one, and changing locations of items, so this will come under part P

You should use a competent person for the work, links below

In Scotland:
Individuals regitered;
http://www.sbsa.gov.uk/register/ListAC.asp
Companies
http://www.sbsa.gov.uk/register/SearchCo.asp?T=Construction&ID=2

In England and Wales:
http://www.competentperson.co.uk

wiggly

ah ok cheers

we're just trying to get everything sorted in our heads so we know that we're doing it right (and get as much done in one too to try and save pennies!)

what about the other bits? was I right with those (outside of the bathroom)?

also, does the kitchen fall into the special room category for changing the light fitting too? we have a fluorescent light strip and I'd like halogen lights

flang

i believe anything done in the kitchen also requires a part P however just do the work yourself and backdate any work done.

lemonade_money

The following requires Part P:
Anything added into bathrooms i.e. extra lights, a shaver socket or anything else electrical. The only thing you can do is change a light fitting without adding any new wiring, this also needs to be an i.p. rated fitting but the shop you buy from will help with that.

Kitchens apply to Part P as well, any new wiring will have to be done by a Part P registered electrician - such as changing a flourescent light into spot lights. The only thing you can do yourself is replace any accessory i.e. socket outlets, lights, fused spurs etc without replacing any wiring.

Also the outside requires Part P - such as outside lights, power points and anything else electrical and again the only thing you can do is replace like for like accessories.

So where you can work without Part P is anywhere else apart fom the mentioned.

HTH.

lemonade_money

flang wrote: »

i believe anything done in the kitchen also requires a part P however just do the work yourself and backdate any work done.

I would not advocate doing this because if you have new brown and blue coloured cable (twin and earth) you would automatically come under the Part P scheme. This is because these colours were introduced just before the Part P scheme to stop things like this happening. The old red and black cables (outside of the Part P scheme) are no longer available and haven't been for 2 1/2 years. You would be lucky to get hold of some of this!

Better_offin_PETES_pocket

If you are saving money why not get the sparky to do the final fit & sign off the work. Dont however plaster over any trunking.
Cut the holes lay the cable etc etc etc. If you really do know what you are doing and want to use red & black then look on ebay.
one final tip to save money buy gu10 fluoresent bulbs. cost more but the wheel on ya meter wont got round as fast.

fatnbald

Regardless of "Part P" locations ALL electrical work (on any installation) other than minor alterations requires testing and a minor works certificate issuing. minor alterations are changing light fitting, changing switch plates or socket face plates (like for like) or very similar changes.

Any circuit alterations (including relocation of existing equipment) requires inspection and certification.

Part P is a different issue to the requirements for inspection and testing of electrical installations which applies to any part of an electrical installation not just special locations

selector_2

Would also the following be exempt from Part P:

- Replacing an existing fitted oven?
- Changing a light fitting in the KITCHEN from a bulb to a strip light? No new cable was needed.

Thanks.

selector_2

selector wrote: »

Would also the following be exempt from Part P:

- Replacing an existing fitted oven?
- Changing a light fitting in the KITCHEN from a bulb to a strip light? No new cable was needed.

Thanks.

Think I may have found the answers on the forum

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=240628
http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/WiringMatters/Documents/Issue15/2005_15_summer_wiring_matters_part_p_notifications_to_building_control.pdf

Have emailed the council to check anyway...

Nobleck

I'm not going to enter into a big debate on part P , as most people on here know how i feel about it, it's a money spinner,and the person doing the work is not always a fully qualified Electrician. It takes 5 days to do a part P course , and this opens up big windows for non qualified so called professionals to enter peoples houses and pass themselves off as proper Electricians.
Testing and inspection is important, but again too many people have been brain washed into thinking you need an NIC certificate, for the record You Don't, any test cerificate is sufficiant as long as all the relevant details are filled in. The 16th Edition even publishes certificates in the back of the regs book for use with testing.