No 10 Adviser Attacks 'Socialist' Vince Cable

The_J

Why is it that only lazy and unsuccessful people hate Capitalism?

Capitalism is Evolution. Survival of the Fittest. If you don't like it, you aren't fit enough.

Fella

The_J wrote: »

Capitalism is Evolution. Survival of the Fittest.

Capitalism isn't just that. Capitalist societies can also afford to look after their less fit far better than others. Anyone complaining about Britain should compare their lifestyle to most people in China & realise how lucky they are. I see endless people whining about capitalism & not one of them is planning on leaving for somewhere non-capitalist anytime soon.

pqrdef

Well I was talking about the moral obligations of people in organisations, but I'm now snowed under by the weight of irrelevant digressions. Which I won't pursue because they've all been done before.

hallmark

pqrdef wrote: »

Well I was talking about the moral obligations of people in organisations, but I'm now snowed under by the weight of irrelevant digressions. Which I won't pursue because they've all been done before.

I notice you haven't answered the question about what you do for a living yet. Is the answer too damaging to your argument? I guess you would look utterly pathetic if it turned out you worked for a lowlife employee. Or the lowlife-employee-funded public sector. Or on benefits.

And I don't see too many other options.

ILW

It is the sort or socialist Utopia idea wher everybody is above average.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

A civilised country will find a workable balance between individual profit and collective rights.

"If you don't like things, why don't you just go and live in North Korea!!!" = 6th Form Debating Society argument.

Kennyboy66

Can any of the foaming mouth tories explain how removing unfair dismissal would actually increase employment.

Its just that the report doesn't actually cite any evidence, and the report actually focuses on existing employees whose face no longer fit.

Likewise the TUPE section of the report, again would soley have the effect of reducing long standing employees terms and again not increase employment.

hallmark

I'm neither a Tory voter nor foaming at the mouth, however are you seriously saying you don't see the correlation between reduction on the laws controlling employers and those same employers hiring more people? There's nothing complicated about it. Every law that's introduced increases the cost of employing people & makes it make less business sense to do so. We're talking simple business facts here, not moral rights & wrongs.

If you want a simple demonstration of how this red tape that some posters are keen to dismiss affects things simply compare the economies of the Eurozone & China. The Eurozone is the epitome of an economy mired in red tape & reduced to being horribly uncompetetive with the rest of the world & is going down the toilet because of it. China in contrast goes to the opposite extreme & has been booming for years on a scale the Eurozone can only dream of.

Both of them get it very wrong (as does the UK). And as long as we continue on that path the UK will continue to decline. What's needed are sensible protections of worker's rights but no more than that. But if you even try to discuss these things you get lowlives like Milliband & his union paymasters going on about the nasty party & whipping up fear & resentment among everyone too stupid to actually understand the economic realities of life.

pqrdef

hallmark wrote: »

I notice you haven't answered the question about what you do for a living yet.

I could be Prince William for all you know. But if I tell you, you're none the wiser, because you don't know if I'm telling the truth.

If I say I live on benefits, people will call me scum. Does that mean they win the argument? No. The issues remain the same. (Nor do people ever win arguments by trumpeting their credentials.)

And it won't bother me, because I will know that I don't really live on benefits. (Or then again...)

So what's the point of this ad-hominem diversion? Please don't say "if you haven't run your own business you don't know what it's like". I doubt if anybody on here has personal experience of being Governor of the Bank of England or German Chancellor either.

hallmark

If you don't have the guts to say what you do for a living because of how two-faced it'll make your argument against employers that's fine, I wasn't expecting anything different to be honest.