No 10 Adviser Attacks 'Socialist' Vince Cable

Joe_Bloggs

It is encouraging that there has been a constructive discussion of complex issues without any 'name calling' on this topic.

I say give the Beecroft geezer a gong for contributions to cross socio-political issues in 21st Century Britain.

J_B.

grizzly1911

The_White_Horse wrote: »

but you don't need to jeapordise all workers do you? you only need to relax the laws for those with under 12 months service, or maybe 24. this way firms will feel able to hire new staff if they feel they need it, but get rid of them immediately if they feel they cannot afford them anymore.

people already in work are not the issue.

STUPID LEFTIES.

Thought up to 2 year employees couldn't claim unfair dismissal etc.

grizzly1911

Conrad wrote: »

I see today yet another supposed believer in levelling and re - distribution has been found out.

Will Self, another socialist with a £1m+ home.
Ken Livingston barracking people over Tax, then actively paying as little as he can.

Billy Bragg and his £1.8m house overlooking the channel.

Shirley Williams (I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ, particularly when it comes to the poor), with her 2 Hertfordshire mansions.

Tony Ben with his Essex mansion and farm, plus £4m Holland Park home.


At least Tories dont pretend not to like money.

You don't have to wear a hair shirt, flat cap, clogs and hunt black puddings to hold socialist, liberal values.

At least the names you mention have some charisma and passion regardless of their political view.

Too many politicians these days are lack those qualities.

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

If an employee is no longer making any money for an employer, why should the employer be forced into continuing to pay them money?

And if you buy a new machine and then the orders fall off, I wouldn't bother paying for the machine either. Why should you? It's not making you any money.

There are many business risks. It would help a lot if there weren't so many. But the corollary is that the State will have to take on those risks.

This is where right-wing thinking fails to join up. The brave thrusting world of private enterprise suddenly goes all soggy when faced with the possibility that its bets might not all win. If there's a risk, it wants to take it with somebody else's money or pass it on to somebody else, or it's not interested. Perish the thought that the entrepreneur might take a hit. Fair enough - but then pay the N.I. and don't complain about the welfare state.

Joe_Bloggs

The Phoenix type of company has been noted to repeatedly emerge where there was overwhelming debt.
J_B.

Fella

MacMickster wrote: »

In fact, Vince Cable is a realist, who understands that placing every worker in the UK in fear for their jobs regardless of how well they are performing will cause the UK economy to fall off a cliff edge. People would feel unable to make any long-term financial commitment and would also reign in any discretionary spending by saving for the now more likely rainy day.

Vince Cable is a moron who bashes business at every opportunity (Business Secretary - what a joke).

The red tape & hassle involved in employing people in the UK went off the scale under Labour & hasn't changed much since. I know, unlike a lot of people supporting Cable I've actually run a small business & employed a few people. Although it made decent money it just wasn't worth the hassle in the end. I could make good money simply consulting so I went back to that. What morons like Cable don't get is that there is nothing forcing anyone to setup a business & provide employment for other people. It makes me laugh how the same people who foam at the mouth at any talk of making conditions more favourable for employers are the same people who complain so bitterly at the lack of jobs. Can they really not see the connection?

pqrdef

Fella wrote: »

Can they really not see the connection?

Of course. Everybody knows that slavery provides the most job opportunities.

kabayiri

Who in their right mind believes Mr Beecrofts' reform proposals would generate £50bn savings?

It's just fantasy island figures.

The guy is commissioned to write a report for politicians, and is then piqued to find a political response! Who'd a thunk it!

MacMickster

Fella wrote: »

Vince Cable is a moron who bashes business at every opportunity (Business Secretary - what a joke).

The red tape & hassle involved in employing people in the UK went off the scale under Labour & hasn't changed much since. I know, unlike a lot of people supporting Cable I've actually run a small business & employed a few people. Although it made decent money it just wasn't worth the hassle in the end. I could make good money simply consulting so I went back to that. What morons like Cable don't get is that there is nothing forcing anyone to setup a business & provide employment for other people. It makes me laugh how the same people who foam at the mouth at any talk of making conditions more favourable for employers are the same people who complain so bitterly at the lack of jobs. Can they really not see the connection?

I ran a small business for over 20 years and believed in paying my employees a fair wage for doing a good job. In the days before the NMW this meant that I could not always compete with similar businesses who paid their staff what I considered to be slave wages.

Without the "red tape and hassle" which forces employers to demonstrate a degree of social responsibility we would have a race to the bottom, where employers who are prepared to exploit their employees would have a competetive advantage over any decent employer who refused to do so.

You say that your business made decent money, but imply that you would have liked the opportunity to make more money at the expense of your employees. This is exactly why the red tape is essential.

Fella

MacMickster wrote: »

You say that your business made decent money, but imply that you would have liked the opportunity to make more money at the expense of your employees. This is exactly why the red tape is essential.

I implied nothing of the sort. You're accusation borne out of nothing is exactly the kind of pathetic attitude that is keeping this country on it's knees. So many people who can't wait to think the worst of anyone who supports anything remotely in favour of private enterprise.

Our employers were treated exceptionally well & paid way above the market rate. We were happy to operate in this way for a variety of reasons not least of which was we considered all of them friends and we were making plenty of money ourselves anyway.

It was the endless, pointless beurocratic hassle heaped upon employers by Nulabour (with plenty of help from the EU) that we couldn't stand. Why bother with it when I could make very good money any way with zero hassle & red tape. Expecting a 5-10 man company to operate identically to a 20,000+ employee company is beyond dumb & anyone with a brain agrees. Lots of VIs like the Unions will clamour to say the opposite though. And Vince Cable is their cheerleader.