Police pension can i cash it in

jamesd

Freecall wrote: »

Please tell me it is or I might cry.

This is a "pure money" section, not the Arms. That operation is not related to the personal finances of the individual asking about their pension. Some digression is inevitable but it's nice to at least try to focus on the individual we're trying to help.

billchecker1

rpc wrote: »

If something has been stolen, I'd have thought the police would be the best placed people to investigate.


The police have (effectively) a collective bargaining arrangement don't they? In those circumstances it doesn't take individuals to agree or disagree.

So you did agree, collectively at least.

And all legislation can be repealed or amended. There lies the rub for a statutory basis for occupational pensions. There are probably more binding ways to do it, as grand as a pension enshrined in statute sounds.

So I am happy to concede that there was some representation for us.


What I would add is that feeling amongst colleagues is that they are too close to government and most believe that there was no fight.


Of course legislation can and should be repealed in cases where it is no longer deemed necessary but to repeal something that was there for protection of serving officers is downright vindictive.

billchecker1

atush wrote: »

We saw the police test admistered the other week on BBC news. Many took it (incl some older gentlemen) and didn't find it hard.


There are important things to learn about the LGPS, in that their AVCs can be used to pay the TFLS instead of commuting valuable pension to give one. This is a good deal and should be looked into. But she'll still need S&S isas if she wants to retire early instead of losing pension thru actuarial reduction.

operation Alice is the name of the police inquiry into the Police federation trying to stich up Andrew Mitchell. Surprised there is a serving officer anywhere in the UK that hasn't heard of it?

You annoy me by insisting no one agreed to the changes. When the answer to the agreement is in posts 73 and 75. If you stay you have agreed.

I was of course being tounge in cheek in reference to Operation Alice as I dont know what it had to do with police pensions.

If a police officer or anyone else for that matter has lied then they should be brought to book. In this case a police officer has been charged. I am glad of this as it has made the service look incredibly unprofessional.

I notice you used the words stich up. Could I kindly direct you to the following quotes from the CPS (an independent body to the police in case you didn't know):

Taking it all into account, including the accounts of the officer at the gate of Downing Street and that of Andrew Mitchell MP before, during and after the incident, we have found that there is insufficient evidence to show that the officer at the gate lied in his account. The CPS has also found that there is insufficient evidence to show that Mr Mitchell was the victim of a conspiracy of misinformation.

Seeing as the federation couldn't even organise ballot papers properly for an election, I struggle to see how they could get together to unseat a minister.

Nevertheless this is going increasingly off topic and if anything this incident reflects badly on the majority of hard working officers.

mgdavid

billchecker1 wrote: »

..........Nevertheless this is going increasingly off topic and if anything this incident reflects badly on the majority of hard working officers.

I expect the vast majority will be happy to agree with you there; just another example of the (very) few spoiling the image of the many.
Now, back to pensions ! :beer:

atush

There is nothing really further to discuss here re: pensions.

No, he cannot cash it in. And even if he could, it would be a bad idea to do so. This is the agreement of all here, but Bill doesn't want to believe it.

It digressed because of the obnoxious insistence that a change was not agreed when it has been.

So yes, lets get back to pensions- on other threads where there is something to actually discuss. As I don't see that there is here.

billchecker1

No, he cannot cash it in. And even if he could, it would be a bad idea to do so. This is the agreement of all here, but Bill doesn't want to believe it.

You do realise this thread wasn't started by me? I never asked about cashing it in.


What you should understand about this "agreement" that you keep talking about is that it was done by a body that most officers have no faith in.


They had vested interest in agreeing as their pensions would remain untouched.


You will also know of course that the police are not allowed to have union representation. A right not denied to other European forces.


We have nothing to fight with. The government knew this. They offered the federation a carrot and they took it. Selling out officers whom they are mean to represent.


This is not then tacit agreement.


Having spoke to a fed rep recently, there is a lot of discontent amongst their members and they are having a review.


I pulled my subscriptions and so have many others.