Partners contract ended and trying to claim JSA

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pumpkin25uk wrote: »

As a first time claimer of any kind of benefits, I would rather hope that the "adviser" firstly on the telephone, and secondly in the job centre would provide the appropriate information regarding what he should be claiming. However the sad fact of life is, they probably haven't a clue, they tick the boxes on the form and pass it on. Surely it doesn't take a genius to work out that based on the fact hes never been unemployed before, you would like to think that they would come to the conclusion that he would be claiming contribution based jsa. So based on that theory Im giving the job centre staff the benefit of the doubt, and hoping that he has correctly done his job and the claim is for contribution jsa. As for the entitlement attitude I pay my taxes and NI so therefore yes I am entitled. I'm sure that there are plenty of people in this country that have never made a contribution to NI, yet have there hands out for the cash, and it's given them. And everyone wonders why this country is in financial crisis. Surely any government handout should based on contribution.

No, the welfare state is based on NEED. That's it's basic underlying tenet.

The JC staff are dependant on what information they are given. If he indicated he was making an income related claim, that is how they will process it. They are not mind readers nor do they have access to tax records to check previous employment.

If your OH wants money from the State, then they will have to provide the evidence requested. Your OH has made a request for state money. It is not yours, it is the governments. If you don't like it, withdraw the claim.

baza52

Does he have full NI contributions for the last 2 tax years?
If he does it will be contribution based, if not if will be income based.

pumpkin25uk

I am the partner in question. I provide answers based on what questions are asked. If I don't know the difference between the two, who has duty to get the information? Me or the person at the other side of the desk. If I am left to find this out myself, I think we get rid of the staff at the job centre. Let all information be held online and I do all the work online. Let me point out the whole crux of my argument, we are either entitled to JSA or not based on what we have paid into the state, no different to a savings account. To say I am not entitled to the money based on my unwillingness to provide information is absolute nonsense. Personally I am doing this on the point of principal, because I will probably have a job before my paper work leaves the local Job Centre, however I am sick and tired of the rubbish welfare state we run. It is based on confusion and misinformation and the people who run it and work in it are no more that paperwork chimpanzees who tick boxes. I have worked in sales and one of the base principals of selling a product is to listen to the customer, ask the right questions and find the right product to match the said customers needs. That base principal should apply here as well. The person who took my phone assessment did not even capture the details correct and I then had to redo everything in the centre. So without my computer in front of me, how would I know the difference? Surely the advisor could have explained the difference based on the information in front of him showing it was a first time claim? No it is too easy for civil servants to shrug their shoulders, blame everyone else and then hide behind the written rules. However as far as I am concerned this is not over, I will not bow to the red tape and excuses. Too many people bow down and back away and don't want a fight. Not me, this is a point of principal. My goal is to either get the JSA if only for two weeks or make enough noise that people start realising what a mess the welfare state is. Mind you they have agood idea already. Personally I wish we get rid of welfare all together and everyone fends for themselves. Then no one would bother with threads like this.

Anubis_2

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

I am the partner in question. I provide answers based on what questions are asked. If I don't know the difference between the two, who has duty to get the information? Me or the person at the other side of the desk. If I am left to find this out myself, I think we get rid of the staff at the job centre. Let all information be held online and I do all the work online. Let me point out the whole crux of my argument, we are either entitled to JSA or not based on what we have paid into the state, no different to a savings account. To say I am not entitled to the money based on my unwillingness to provide information is absolute nonsense. Personally I am doing this on the point of principal, because I will probably have a job before my paper work leaves the local Job Centre, however I am sick and tired of the rubbish welfare state we run. It is based on confusion and misinformation and the people who run it and work in it are no more that paperwork chimpanzees who tick boxes. I have worked in sales and one of the base principals of selling a product is to listen to the customer, ask the right questions and find the right product to match the said customers needs. That base principal should apply here as well. The person who took my phone assessment did not even capture the details correct and I then had to redo everything in the centre. So without my computer in front of me, how would I know the difference? Surely the advisor could have explained the difference based on the information in front of him showing it was a first time claim? No it is too easy for civil servants to shrug their shoulders, blame everyone else and then hide behind the written rules. However as far as I am concerned this is not over, I will not bow to the red tape and excuses. Too many people bow down and back away and don't want a fight. Not me, this is a point of principal. My goal is to either get the JSA if only for two weeks or make enough noise that people start realising what a mess the welfare state is. Mind you they have agood idea already. Personally I wish we get rid of welfare all together and everyone fends for themselves. Then no one would bother with threads like this.

As you have never claimed benefits before, you are unaware that ANY claim for benefit money, whether you have worked or not, means they can look at yours AND your partners private affairs including bank accounts, maintenance, mortgage payments, credit checks etc

Once you make a claim for any Government money you HAVE to supply the information they request and your bank accounts, savings, personal payments such as maintenance etc are no longer "private" - the government can dig in any of your private affairs without question.

If you do not supply the information, your claim will be sanctioned or if you are not willing to provide it, you need to stop the claim.

Anubis_2

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

I am the partner in question. I provide answers based on what questions are asked. If I don't know the difference between the two, who has duty to get the information? Me or the person at the other side of the desk. If I am left to find this out myself, I think we get rid of the staff at the job centre. Let all information be held online and I do all the work online. Let me point out the whole crux of my argument, we are either entitled to JSA or not based on what we have paid into the state, no different to a savings account. To say I am not entitled to the money based on my unwillingness to provide information is absolute nonsense. Personally I am doing this on the point of principal, because I will probably have a job before my paper work leaves the local Job Centre, however I am sick and tired of the rubbish welfare state we run. It is based on confusion and misinformation and the people who run it and work in it are no more that paperwork chimpanzees who tick boxes. I have worked in sales and one of the base principals of selling a product is to listen to the customer, ask the right questions and find the right product to match the said customers needs. That base principal should apply here as well. The person who took my phone assessment did not even capture the details correct and I then had to redo everything in the centre. So without my computer in front of me, how would I know the difference? Surely the advisor could have explained the difference based on the information in front of him showing it was a first time claim? No it is too easy for civil servants to shrug their shoulders, blame everyone else and then hide behind the written rules. However as far as I am concerned this is not over, I will not bow to the red tape and excuses. Too many people bow down and back away and don't want a fight. Not me, this is a point of principal. My goal is to either get the JSA if only for two weeks or make enough noise that people start realising what a mess the welfare state is. Mind you they have agood idea already. Personally I wish we get rid of welfare all together and everyone fends for themselves. Then no one would bother with threads like this.

As you have never claimed benefits before, you are unaware that ANY claim for benefit money, whether you have worked or not, means they can look at yours AND your partners private affairs including bank accounts, maintenance, mortgage payments, credit checks etc

Once you make a claim for any Government money you HAVE to supply the information they request and your bank accounts, savings, personal payments such as maintenance etc are no longer "private" - the government can dig in any of your private affairs without question.

If you do not supply the information, your claim will be sanctioned or if you are not willing to provide it, you need to stop the claim.

The same rules apply to ANYONE claiming, you are not unique.

dseventy

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

I am the partner in question.

I feel a bit sorry for you.

Did you know that your partner asked : -

Any thoughts, advice would be greatly appreciated.

But when she got some "thoughts" she did not agree with, she replied with a vile post? So vile it was deleted by MSE?

Any of this ring bells with the domestic situation you find yourself in? Ever make a suggestion and it gets flamed? Ever been threatened with paying rent by your partners ex? Thats what she said has happened!

Anyway on to your post..

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

I provide answers based on what questions are asked. If I don't know the difference between the two, who has duty to get the information? Me or the person at the other side of the desk.

Huh? You are living in a house with your partner. You live together and share many things, from the bed, to the bathroom, to intimate moments to the cleaning. You should be sharing income too and financial responsibilty as you are living there. Its what most couples do and what the DWP assume you do.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

Let me point out the whole crux of my argument, we are either entitled to JSA or not based on what we have paid into the state, no different to a savings account.

Past contributions bear no relation to future entitlement.

Any previous tax payments were spent at the time on the people who were eligible for it. Its not in a "savings account" with your name on. Some people pay 40% tax on their salary and can just claim the circa £70 a week JSA if they are eligible. It bears no relation whatever.

You never clarified your claim? Where you after Contribution based JSA? That is based on your contributions to the system, but nothing like what you have paid in.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

To say I am not entitled to the money based on my unwillingness to provide information is absolute nonsense.

No its not, its not nonsense, its how the system works.

Ask for state intervention? Then you answer the questions.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

Personally I am doing this on the point of principal,

Good luck with that. You are up against a beast of a system where principals are lost amongst the rules.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

because I will probably have a job before my paper work leaves the local Job Centre, however I am sick and tired of the rubbish welfare state we run.

Write to "points of view", write to your MP, write to the PM, set up a e-petition etc etc.

What none of that will do is change the rules for claiming right now.

Perhaps put the effort into getting a job?

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

It is based on confusion and misinformation and the people who run it and work in it are no more that paperwork chimpanzees who tick boxes.

Oh the irony. Someone without a job calling names of those with a job. Lets move on.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

I have worked in sales and one of the base principals of selling a product is to listen to the customer, ask the right questions and find the right product to match the said customers needs.

That sounds good. Use this in any interview you have for a sales position. It has no place with benefits as its a "one size fits all" machine.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

No it is too easy for civil servants to shrug their shoulders, blame everyone else and then hide behind the written rules.

Another dig at people working when your not.

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

However as far as I am concerned this is not over, I will not bow to the red tape and excuses. Too many people bow down and back away and don't want a fight. Not me, this is a point of principal.

Go! Go! Go! You fight your prinicipals!

(Or you could jsut give them the information they have asked for!)

pumpkin25uk wrote: »

My goal is to either get the JSA if only for two weeks or make enough noise that people start realising what a mess the welfare state is.

Lots of people a lot more important than you have stated this belief, from the opposition in power, to Labour, to the Tories, to even MSE!

But you try, good luck. Report back on how you get on.

D70