We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.
This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.
Debate House Prices
In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
The Forum now has a brand new text editor, adding a bunch of handy features to use when creating posts. Read more in our how-to guide
£16 billion in savings needs to be found
Comments
-
Do we really want to see our fellow human beings (fellow-countrymen even, for the racists) reduced to an existence of bare subsistence, as if they were no more than animals?
They could just get a job.
Don't forget that we're not talking about condemning people to bare subsistence; we're pondering whether benefits should be sufficient to provide an obvious luxury like a football season ticket.0 -
Clearly rubbish. Societies have existed without private sectors. No civilisation has ever existed without a public sector. Even neolithic settlements had collective defences, without which private endeavours would have been wasted.Bottom line is a private sector could survive without a public sector. A public sector could not survive without the private sector.
I haven't denied that the public sector is in a sense "a cost", but you haven't begun to explain why the private sector isn't "a cost" in exactly the same way. Neither of them is giving you anything for nothing."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Clearly rubbish. Societies have existed without private sectors. No civilisation has ever existed without a public sector. Even neolithic settlements had collective defences, without which private endeavours would have been wasted.
The only one I can think of is the Communist systems. They worked out really well didn't they?0 -
-
They could just get a job.
Don't forget that we're not talking about condemning people to bare subsistence; we're pondering whether benefits should be sufficient to provide an obvious luxury like a football season ticket.
If the jobs were in plentiful supply then I would agree with you.
The Rangers example was more about waste generally and by keeping more money back for personal waste doesn't necessarily mean it gets spent wisely.
pqrdef
Don't think wasting money on Wolves = pleasure unless you are into sado masochism but then some poor suckers will keep handing over the readies when they could be enjoying the slow growth of an ISA, mind you that isn't much better."If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
Well perhaps we should talk about who is the more meritorious or deserving person, or the one making the greater contribution to society. It might be you. Then again, it might not.We were talking about the difference between me buying a Rangers season ticket or buying one for someone else on benefits instead.
Or perhaps you'll say you "earned" the money. But perhaps the other guy also "earned" his money. Who said that work was the only way to "earn" money? (The rich have never thought so.)"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
But if you remove all luxuries, you're down to bare subsistence.Don't forget that we're not talking about condemning people to bare subsistence; we're pondering whether benefits should be sufficient to provide an obvious luxury like a football season ticket."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
From an historical and worldwide perspective, communal societies have been the norm and private enterprise is the aberration.The only one I can think of is the Communist systems. They worked out really well didn't they?
And in fact most Communist systems were economically much more successful than the systems they replaced. Looking at the state of Russia and America in 1917, you wouldn't have picked Russia to win the space race. Russia and China didn't fall behind under Communism, they started even further behind and did most of the catching up."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
But money in the bank will help the government fight the Germans, whereas if you give money to footballers they'll just rebuild their mansions with gigantic fishtanks.grizzly1911 wrote: »Don't think wasting money on Wolves = pleasure unless you are into sado masochism but then some poor suckers will keep handing over the readies when they could be enjoying the slow growth of an ISA, mind you that isn't much better."It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
Same for the other guy. If you're happy with possession of the cash being the only thing that matters, what's the problem?Last time I bought a season ticket (for a different club) it involved a cash transaction not an interview with a priest to determine how lovely I was.
You're going to say that your money is your money, and the other guy's money is also your money. But that's nonsense. He's been paid the money under an Act of Parliament, passed by the people we vote for. He's just as entitled to it as you are. If you can't accept a democratic decision, that's your problem. You can't expect people to agree that your opinion is worth more. Should we just scrap elections and make you dictator?"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 354.2K Banking & Borrowing
- 254.4K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 455.3K Spending & Discounts
- 247.2K Work, Benefits & Business
- 603.8K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 178.4K Life & Family
- 261.3K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.1K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.7K Read-Only Boards