Over Privileged Boomers are not 'Sacred Cows': Wilby

ruggedtoast

thorsoak wrote: »

For your information, Mr Rugged Toast, the people that seem to be mis-treating old people in care homes are those of YOUR generation - just take a look at Panorama tonight for instance.

I am 68 years of age, I - and my sisters and brother nursed our mother through cancer some 30 years ago. My OH and I nursed his father and mother through cancer and heart disease 25 years ago - and last year I nursed my OH through pancreatic cancer. What have you done for your elderly relatives.

You would have us all take a one-way trip to Switzerland and remove the problem.

It's always the PBI who get the blame for everything - try turning the mirror upon yourself. Your very posts denote your bitterness and vitriol.

I like the way you lot all switch between macro-politics and personal anecdotes hither and thither to suit yourself.

"Oh, thats a macro political overview but here's a personal anecdote, so it doesn't count."

"Oh, that's a personal anecdote it doesn't count, look at this macro political overview."

We all have accounts of elderly relatives and what happens to them. Do you honestly think if someone shove's a parent in an old persons home staffed by minimum wage 20 somethings and visit them once every 6 months that they bear no responsibility for her treatment?

PS - you still haven't answered my earlier question about where I should live when I sell my home to some "deserving":cool: young person and try to find somewhere for £50,000!

You can rent somewhere from a private landlord with no hope of ever buying, like most of us have to do.

pqrdef

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Do you honestly think if someone shove's a parent in an old persons home staffed by minimum wage 20 somethings and visit them once every 6 months that they bear no responsibility for her treatment?

And who's responsible if the old dear doesn't have any children for you to dump the responsibility on?

StevieJ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You can rent somewhere from a private landlord with no hope of ever buying, like most of us have to do.

I thought you mentioned that you have bought a property?

FTBFun

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You can rent somewhere from a private landlord with no hope of ever buying, like most of us have to do.

Owner occupancy is running at between 60 and 70% - so not really "most".

yorkshirekev

HAPPY_HOMEOWNER wrote: »

Indeed. It is only right and just that the powers that be protect the majority against the minority whose jealousy simply means that they want to steal from us. In this case to protect the home owners who have a steak in society and our assets over the renter classes who don't.

Like this one?

thorsoak

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Some boomers work very hard. My in-laws have built their building business up from nothing and barely had a holiday til their 40s, but their increase in property wealth and the pensions they are soon to receive are significantly subsidised by riding a benign economic wave that has risen inexorably upwards since they were born. Further boosted by a corrosive and insidious housing policy designed to rinse housing's, mostly younger, have nots in favour of the housing have's.

They are not appreciative of this as they are used to having more money every year, they have never known a time when this hasn't been true for them.

In my personal experience as a salaried white collar employee, every company or organisation I have ever worked for has a fat layer of boomer middle management whose main roles seem to be making younger people redundant,cutting costs , and piling work downwards.

This cost cutting and austerity never seems to affect them, and its getting to the point where some places hardly have anyone under 40 working there.

I have worked in government organisations stuffed with middle aged middle managers who sometimes outnumber support staff. Often no one has had any idea what half of them actually do, other than ride their fortuitous wave of 30 days annual leave a year, incremental pay rises, final salary pensions, house price lottery win, job for life jackpots.

Its interesting that the people who are most anti public sector are most pro boomer. This isn't confined to the public sector either.

You can't have it both ways.

Its all very well going on about the 'green with envy generation' who won't knuckle down and work in comparison to their boomer betters. But this really isn't supported by many of 'our' experiences in the white collar working world working alongside, and for, often ineffective, unproductive, and vastly over remunerated late middle aged management.

GOT IT!!!

Mr Rugged Toast is, by his own definition, "green with envy" and full of vitriol because his nasty, lazy, baby-boomer in-laws won't finance the way he wants to live! AND they are still alive!

What a pity that it colours his life

I have never, for one moment disagreed that as someone born in 1943, married to someone born in 1940, that we have had a good life - both born into working class families, but families that stayed together and which aspired to better lives, encouraging us to get to grammar schools, to go on to apprenticeships/day release whereby we got our qualifications, that we lived through the years when we were told by "those who knew" that "we had never had it so good"; who, by saving like mad were able to take advantage of the burgeoning housing market and by our own homes (sorry about that) - which we bought as homes, not as investments - which we continued to pay for, despite the increases in inflation due to the fuel crisies of the 1970s, the reduction in the British manufacturing industries, etc etc etc. Yes, we were lucky. There I've said it - satisfied, RT?

We've also seen the erosion of what we were led to believe we would have as pensions, which we've paid into - don't forget the number of pension companies which have failed to deliver to us now.

What we would appear to have been saddled with is the fact that we have spawned generation of whinging, envious people who put materialism above everything else, if Rugged Toast and his Ilk are anything to go by!

Graham_Devon

thorsoak wrote: »

GOT IT!!!

Mr Rugged Toast is, by his own definition, "green with envy" and full of vitriol because his nasty, lazy, baby-boomer in-laws won't finance the way he wants to live! AND they are still alive!

What a pity that it colours his life !

You need to grow up a little.

thorsoak

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You need to grow up a little.

...but I'm already one of the elderly despised

thorsoak

ruggedtoast wrote: »

You can rent somewhere from a private landlord with no hope of ever buying, like most of us have to do.

StevieJ wrote: »

I thought you mentioned that you have bought a property?

Well - he was a property owner at one time - obviously sold high, hoping to re-buy low later - see
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/52539611#Comment_52539611

Percy1983

StevieJ wrote: »

A bit like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt-KR1TsRg

Exactly like that! :rotfl:

Anyway my point is should we be denied housing because technology is now better.

With that my children* should have to pay 20x more for a house than me because they will have better technology available to them.

EG choosing TVs:

One point you had a top end black and white or nothing, now you have the top end 70"+ TVs which are the equivalent of the those early black and whites but then you have a whole range down to around £40.

I won't argue technology is more affordable but the price of the top end has never changed really.

*I don't have children yet.