Over Privileged Boomers are not 'Sacred Cows': Wilby

ukcarper

Percy1983 wrote: »

I am with Graham I don't have resentment for the generation before, it just annoys me when they even can't admit they had it easier.

I will say many boomers will admit they had it easier (my parents included).

With that the arguement of you deserve to pay 4x more for housing because you have iphones available to you does make me chuckle.

Perhaps that is because they don't feel they did, I really struggled to buy a house in 1972 and if I had waited another year I would not have been able to buy the house. If it was now I would be on about £30k a year and with a 4x joint income mortgage and 10% deposit I would be able to buy a similar house. There is very good chance people who can’t buy now would not have been able to buy in the 70s.

I’ve told you plenty of times where I think we had it better and that is even with out a degree we had a good chance of getting a job with reasonable prospects and training.

I get fed up with 30 something’s telling me how hard it is when I look at my children and their friends who are in that age group doing ok many of them in a better position than I was at their age.

ash28

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's only one definition.

Why use the US Census Bureau Information? Why not use UK information.

The "boomer" generation in the US is totally different from here - I know the media use the US information which to my mind is sloppy journalism. The US after the war was totally different from here - we were in pretty dire straits after the war unlike the US.

In Germany for instance their "boom" didn't start until 1955.

In the UK the there was a big spike in births immediately after the war and then it fell off a cliff for several years until it picked up again giving a second "boom" in in the 1960s.

So much media reporting here is based on the US it is untrue.

Here's an interesting little toy to play around with. Just move your mouse onto the graphic and you can see the number of births in the UK by year.

It clearly shows the boom in births in 1946/7 the first boomers and then the drop off and then the pick up again that peaked in the mid 1960s

http://www.neighbourhood.statistics.gov.uk/HTMLDocs/dvc1/UKPyramid.html

You'll need to move the year slider to 2011 the date of the last census - anything after that is projected and just as likely to be wrong as it is right - no one for saw the increase in the birth rate we currently seeing.

CLAPTON

it would seem to me that one needs to compare like for alike rather than old against yuong

in 1980 UK went into recession
baby boomers would have been aged about 15 to 35

so maybe some-one who feels passionately how easy life was then would compare that period with people aged 15-35 now

maybe compare

-unemployment levels
-average income in real terms
- number of that group at university
-average number that die of cancer or similar illnesses
-average percentage that own property
-average expectation of life
-average pension pots or equivalent
-number with cars
-number living in centrally heated houses
-number having a foreign holiday


and I'm sure there are many other measures that others could suggest

now I don't know tha answers but it would provide a more meaningful debate than this young/old ranting.

thorsoak

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Good point. I agree it is a shame that your generation haven't looked after old people better than you have.

It's terrible the way pensioners are treated, farmed off to miserable care homes, shoved out of the way, bullied into depriving themselves of their assets by selfish late middle aged children.

Young people haven't fared much better under boomerism. Massive unemployment, the second highest rate of depression in the developed world, the highest level of generational inequality since the war, a bankrupt country which has been in recession for years; and a massive bill to pay for housing and pensions they'll never see themselves.

I hope we can avoid the collapse of society though.

For your information, Mr Rugged Toast, the people that seem to be mis-treating old people in care homes are those of YOUR generation - just take a look at Panorama tonight for instance.

I am 68 years of age, I - and my sisters and brother nursed our mother through cancer some 30 years ago. My OH and I nursed his father and mother through cancer and heart disease 25 years ago - and last year I nursed my OH through pancreatic cancer. What have you done for your elderly relatives.

You would have us all take a one-way trip to Switzerland and remove the problem.

It's always the PBI who get the blame for everything - try turning the mirror upon yourself. Your very posts denote your bitterness and vitriol.

PS - you still haven't answered my earlier question about where I should live when I sell my home to some "deserving":cool: young person and try to find somewhere for £50,000!

Percy1983

CLAPTON wrote: »

it would seem to me that one needs to compare like for alike rather than old against yuong

in 1980 UK went into recession
baby boomers would have been aged about 15 to 35

so maybe some-one who feels passionately how easy life was then would compare that period with people aged 15-35 now

maybe compare

-unemployment levels
-average income in real terms
- number of that group at university
-average number that die of cancer or similar illnesses
-average percentage that own property
-average expectation of life
-average pension pots or equivalent
-number with cars
-number living in centrally heated houses
-number having a foreign holiday


and I'm sure there are many other measures that others could suggest

now I don't know tha answers but it would provide a more meaningful debate than this young/old ranting.

These are some of the points I debate:

Foreign holidays: sorry we can go to spain for what it costs you to go to blackpool

Central heating: sorry as much as I tried every house I view had it fitted.

Cars: sorry cars are cheaper to buy and more reliable aswell as needed more these days.

Other points not above but in the same league.

Mobile phones: sorry they weren't invented or not mainstream when you where young

TVs: sorry my 47" inch 3D TV cost less than you 19" black and white one did.

Then to spin all this around I look forward to a child/grandchild laughing as I tell them about how I had a 3D TV and HTC smart phone when I was there age.

ukcarper

Percy1983 wrote: »

These are some of the points I debate:

Foreign holidays: sorry we can go to spain for what it costs you to go to blackpool

Central heating: sorry as much as I tried every house I view had it fitted.

Cars: sorry cars are cheaper to buy and more reliable aswell as needed more these days.

Other points not above but in the same league.

Mobile phones: sorry they weren't invented or not mainstream when you where young

TVs: sorry my 47" inch 3D TV cost less than you 19" black and white one did.

Then to spin all this around I look forward to a child/grandchild laughing as I tell them about how I had a 3D TV and HTC smart phone when I was there age.

Doesn’t that just show that we didn’t have it as easy as you think. You can add food, most food is a lot cheaper now than it was.

ukcarper

CLAPTON wrote: »

it would seem to me that one needs to compare like for alike rather than old against yuong

in 1980 UK went into recession
baby boomers would have been aged about 15 to 35

so maybe some-one who feels passionately how easy life was then would compare that period with people aged 15-35 now

maybe compare

-unemployment levels
-average income in real terms
- number of that group at university
-average number that die of cancer or similar illnesses
-average percentage that own property
-average expectation of life
-average pension pots or equivalent
-number with cars
-number living in centrally heated houses
-number having a foreign holiday


and I'm sure there are many other measures that others could suggest

now I don't know tha answers but it would provide a more meaningful debate than this young/old ranting.

That is a good point since 1980 RPI has increased 3.34x but wages have increased 5.17x.

Figures from measuring worth website

StevieJ

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's only one definition.

I don't think you can class 1943 -1946 as BB years in the UK as most of the blokes were away fighting a war, don't you know although I guess a few Marvins, Hanks or Chesters may have been conceived

Landon Jones, who coined the term "baby boomer" in his book Great Expectations: America and the Baby Boom Generation, defined the span of the baby-boom generation as extending from 1943 through 1960,

StevieJ

Percy1983 wrote: »

Then to spin all this around I look forward to a child/grandchild laughing as I tell them about how I had a 3D TV and HTC smart phone when I was there age.

A bit like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt-KR1TsRg

StevieJ

ukcarper wrote: »

Doesn’t that just show that we didn’t have it as easy as you think. You can add food, most food is a lot cheaper now than it was.

And the beer :beer: