motability scratches and kerbed wheels?

HB58

I am interested in how people know that someone is driving a motability car. Is there something in the back window, for instance, that identifies them as such? Going my the tax disc is no good because many people, like myself, use DLA to keep their own car on the road.

Leveller, DLA is not means tested, it is meant to put a person with disability on the same footing as anyone else and help defray the extra costs of being disabled. The Motability scheme itself is a charity, it is not government funded.

sizzler1893

HB58 wrote: »

I am interested in how people know that someone is driving a motability car. Is there something in the back window, for instance, that identifies them as such? Going my the tax disc is no good because many people, like myself, use DLA to keep their own car on the road.

Leveller, DLA is not means tested, it is meant to put a person with disability on the same footing as anyone else and help defray the extra costs of being disabled. The Motability scheme itself is a charity, it is not government funded.

Tax discs on Motability vehicles have 'DVLA Fleet' on them with the normal 'nil' where the price normally is.

HB58

Thanks, Sizzler!

ETA, I wonder if people really check this, or do they assume that everyone with a blue badge has a Motability car?

L0RRY

leveller2911 wrote: »

L0RRY wrote: »

why on earth should it be anyone elses business what disabled people spend thier own money on? if they want to spend money (which will never be returned) on getting a nicer car (which they will never own) then thats entirely up to them...........although personally i wouldnt because i see it as money down the drain & that goes against my money saving convert status!

I had a disabled uncle, he had MS and sadly passed away a few years ago.Now I will only post facts, these are not my opinions but facts about his case. A number of times he asked members of the family to put some of his money (from benefits) into their bank accounts purely to keep his savings under the limit so that he kept receiving all of his benefits.Needless to say they all declined.

cases keep being mentioned in this thread that are benefit fraud, nothing whatsoever to do with motability (which the thread is about) and i suspect that most claimants would happily see fraudsters stopped because theyre taking money from a system which doesnt have enough to go around & theyre giving genuine claimants a bad name.

When you say "its up to them what they spend their money on" you are partly right but is it not the case that some of "their" money will be from benefits so they will be using benefits to pay towards a better spec car whilst at the same time keeping their "savings" under the limit where by they would have their benefits cut due to the amount of savings.

as ive mentioned previously dla (which is the benefit which can be used for a motability car) is NOT means tested so it doesnt matter how much they have in savings, they would still get the benefit to assist with the extra cost of having thier disability.

If a disabled person works then all credit to them and of coarse its up to them how they spend their money.

so because someone had the misfortune of being less than perfect and unable to work, they dont get to choose what they buy with money that the government of a civilised society decides to give them to make their lives a little easier? nice! i guess they cant wear m&s underwear either.

Like I stated previously I don't have any problem with the idea of Motorbility its the waste. With many cars now having 7yr warranties there is no reason why the lease cannot be for 7yrs.Its a fact that a new car depreciates in value the most during its first 3 years ,I don't see any reason why the lease cannot be for as long as a 7yr warranty lasts. MOT,s are a non arguement as service intervals on cars are getting longer so an MOT can be arranged at the same time.

as has been explained previously by other posters, its related to mots and its a common practice used by non-motability lease companies.

It does seem that posters on the thread seems to be very quick at shouting down anyone who has a different opinion its a shame as it stifles debate ,especially given the fact that all the political parties agree that the scheme needs overhauling.

How many of you will openly say the system does not have major problems.

i havent seen any info stating "all the political parties agree that the scheme needs overhauling" so it appears youre talking about the benefit system not motability.

As a side issue but relavent is my sister has a disabled child and a good friend of hers has a young disabled son.He has needed a new wheelchair for over a year because he is growing out of his existing one.The problem is there is no funding available to buy him one but if they cut the waste from Motorbility and used that money to do more good at the basic level.

any waste which may or may not exist in motability would have no impact on funding for wheelchairs. motability is not part of the benefit system, its a private company/charity which provides a service to disabled people who choose to use the mobility component of their dla to hire a car.

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CTcelt1988

leveller2911 wrote: »

L0RRY wrote: »

why on earth should it be anyone elses business what disabled people spend thier own money on? if they want to spend money (which will never be returned) on getting a nicer car (which they will never own) then thats entirely up to them...........although personally i wouldnt because i see it as money down the drain & that goes against my money saving convert status!

I had a disabled uncle, he had MS and sadly passed away a few years ago.Now I will only post facts, these are not my opinions but facts about his case. A number of times he asked members of the family to put some of his money (from benefits) into their bank accounts purely to keep his savings under the limit so that he kept receiving all of his benefits.Needless to say they all declined.

When you say "its up to them what they spend their money on" you are partly right but is it not the case that some of "their" money will be from benefits so they will be using benefits to pay towards a better spec car whilst at the same time keeping their "savings" under the
limit where by they would have their benefits cut due to the amount of savings.
If a disabled person works then all credit to them and of coarse its up to them how they spend their money .

Like I stated previously I don't have any problem with the idea of Motorbility its the waste. With many cars now having 7yr warranties there is no reason why the lease cannot be for 7yrs.Its a fact that a new car depreciates in value the most during its first 3 years ,I don't

see any reason why the lease cannot be for as long as a 7yr warranty lasts. MOT,s are a non arguement as service intervals on cars are getting longer so an MOT can be arranged at the same time.

It does seem that posters on the thread seems to be very quick at shouting down anyone who has a different opinion its a shame as it stifles debate ,especially given the fact that all the political parties agree that the scheme needs overhauling.

How many of you will openly say the system does not have major problems

As a side issue but relavent is my sister has a disabled child and a good friend of hers has a young disabled son.He has needed a new wheelchair for over a year because he is growing out of his existing
one.The problem is there is no funding available to buy him one but if they cut the waste from Motorbility and used that money to do more good at the basic level.

Motability do a Wheelchair and scooter sheme where you exchange your high rate DLA for a new wheelchair or scooter.

kingfisherblue

leveller2911 wrote: »

As a side issue but relavent is my sister has a disabled child and a good friend of hers has a young disabled son.He has needed a new wheelchair for over a year because he is growing out of his existing one.The problem is there is no funding available to buy him one but if they cut the waste from Motorbility and used that money to do more good at the basic level.

Can I suggest that you sister contacts Whizzkids or Newlife for help with a wheelchair. There are other charities that can also help, but my mind has gone blank at the moment. I'll post again later if i remember any more.

dibuzz

mazza111 wrote: »

Won't pass judgement on any of the cars unless I've tried to sit in them. It's my knees and left hip that's shot to pieces, it's my sister's knees, back and right hip that's shot to pieces. I've already said about the differences of us both trying to get into different small cars. Personally, my next one will be an automatic because of my hip (I don't get DLA btw) and will probably look at the skodas, but will probably end up going for something that sits a bit higher like the Meriva (had one before, don't like them, but that kind of shape is easier for me to get in and out of).

Once your bits start to give you problems, you will probably try a few cars until you find one that suits you.


Dibuzz - Shocking behaviour :eek: Reckon this type of old man would have been like that whether it was a motability car or not though, don't you?

Yes you are right, he probably would

I have problems with my knees, hips and ankles ( not on DLA either) and have trouble getting in and out of some cars.
I have a Nissan Note auto which is so easy to get in and out of as its quite high up.
My daughter has a Fiat Panda which although small is also easy to get in and out of.
My son's Golf however is far too low. I can usually get in but getting out is a nightmare and my other son lowers his cars, probably so I don't ask him for a lift anywhere :rotfl:

mazza111

Nissan Note was one of the other cars I was looking at. Haven't sat in it yet. Liking how high it sits without being a large car tho

honesty1

[Deleted User] Well reading this I must say as a tax payer and private car owner I think this is absolutely disgusting and Iam not surprised tax payers end up resenting people who use the scheme.

A 3 year old car at worst must have very very minor marks on it. I do a lot of miles per year and I am very careful where possible and have had cars older than 15 years old in some cases that have been in immaculate condition, sometimes I wont even go to some places if I think there is a risk of car damage !!.

It appears that motability drivers because the car is not there's and is only leased via free money they get from the government in the form of DLA, they don't give 2 hoots about the cars.

They can have accident claims and take the car back with dents, large scratches, and damaged wheels and still get paid £250 'good condition bonus' for the privileged.

If I had a private lease car and took it back with marks and scratches I would be charged fairly significant damage each area of damage.

I feel tax payers money funds DLA that is used to pay for lease cars that again are VAT free and have other financial assistance on top from tax payers, and the users of these vehicles just have no RESPECT for them.

I know some people will respect them and be very grateful, but others just EXPECT them as a god given right and still don't care for them, and even get a bonus for not caring for them.

DISGUSTING

I know people will shoot me down and say they are not 'FREE', but the DLA is funded via tax and the recipient does not do anything to receive DLA so the money is 'FREE'.[/QUOTE]
I find your opinions very narrow minded. Before you start making judgement I give a very large chunk out of my benefits to hire the car it is not given on top of what we are given. I lose £250 a month plus extra for the car I hire and if public transport was more suitable than it is i would much prefer to use that and feel "normal". The £250 WE get back is because not only is the car not ours after spending almost £3000 a year on it we are also not a llowed to go over 15000 miles a year which means the car is very sellable and believe it or not although it is a charity they have been known to make a tidy profit. We also aid car manufacturing and because of the amount of orders made my motability car production has increased and so has jobs. I think £250 isnt a huge amount compared to the amount the politicians cut our benefits by to be very honest with you.

honesty1

leveller2911 wrote: »

The problem with the motorbility scheme is that it can be abused. I don't have any problems with funding travel for the genuinely disabled but there is a sizeable minority that do not need/deserve motorbility.

I'm sure many of us know of people who abuse the scheme,I know 3 people who do not need the help but claim it.One person manages to walk a mile along a river bank carrying 60kg of fishing equipment and yet claims for a bad back.Another person manages to climb a 6ft fence,work under cars when they need repairing and rides a 900cc racing motorbike.They all claim motorbility.

Many of the cars in the scheme should never be in it such as BMW,s Saabs etc.My own opinion is if someone needs a car then it should be a basic model and they should get the car free for 10yrs and be responsible for repairs,servicing etc.Cars depreciate the most in the first 3 years and someone along the line will pay for the depreciation.

Why would someone need a £17k VW Golf when a £12k Skoda Octavia will do the job better, give them the car for life but they should pay for the upkeep.

The crux of the problem is when people are seen in nice shiny new cars subsidised by the taxpayer and the system is abused by a sizeable minority you will alway get resentment.The Government needs to find a way that is fair to the recipient and the taxpayer whilst giving long prison sentances to those bottom dwellers who abuse the system.

Then report them!!!! People should not get away with that.