PPN issued by UKPC

BadLuckIsNoLuck

Hi all,

I have been issued with a PPN by UKPC. I have a very ridiculous story of why it was issued with fair, mitigating circumstances, but I suppose the bottom line to them is that I parked in one of their car parks without a permit.

I assume like everyone says on here that I should ignore all letters from UKPC and that the charge is unenforceable under any circumstances. I am going to ignore as instructed.

However my question is: If we should ignore PPN's from private car parking companies, then why do people pay and display in private car parks, for example leisure centres, outdoor car parks etc. If you could just not pay and drive off isn't this the same as ignoring a PPN?

Hoping to be educated. Thank you.

pogofish

A landowner/operator is perfectly entitled to charge a fee and whilst we are dead against the ridiculous and wholly unreasonable charges and methods of the PPCs, nobody here condones not paying a fair, reasonable and legit fee for parking.

And IMO, willfully ignoring parking charges only plays into the hands of PPCs and their apologists by providing a kind of justification for their activities.

esmerobbo

The idea is we pay for legitimate parking charges, what we don't agree to is the silly charges they try to charge for breaking their silly rules.

So we don't encourage ignoring fair parking charges just the "penalties" they try and charge!

give_them_FA

Obviously, once one knows that parking companies are toothless, then one could simply become a pirate who ignored legitimate charges for pay and display. This would not be morally any better than what they do and certainly isn't condoned by anyone on this forum I hope.

What we deal with here are people who have been asked for some ridiculous sum of money for what is most usually a non-existent or invented "infringement", with the demand backed up by unlawful harassment because the company can't enforce it legally.

In your own case, if through some misunderstanding you failed to pay a parking fee you should have rightfully paid, then send them the amount you should have paid and you are in the clear.

It's the vastly inflated "fine" that they have no right to impose, that is objected to, and which makes it all a scam.

Reflect that there would ALWAYS be full and correct payment of parking fees, by the simple expedient of putting up exit barriers that would not let you out unless you had paid.

Car parking companies don't want this because they rely on the unlawful fining for their profits.

BadLuckIsNoLuck

No I understand what you are saying I just wanted to know if the parking ticket of £90 I had was enforceable.

My situation:

I was invited to a companies building.

I parked in the building's car park. There were no pay and display machines or barriers. There was a sign warning against unauthorised parking, but I assumed that was for the shoppers and football supporters and that due to being invited to the building for business I was authorised.

I attended the building, someone mentioned inside that parking was an issue. I went to check/move the car and I had a ticket of UKPC demanding £90 that could be reduced to £50.

give_them_FA

Just forget it. We have the tail wagging the dog here! The parking cowboys are meant to be the SERVANTS of the legitimate car park owners and users.

I am afraid that, in their mad scramble for profit, they conveniently forget which way round the relationship ought to be.

Either ask the company you visited to sort it out, or, if you can't be bothered, just ignore their pathetic rubbish.

Trebor16

If the signage was inadequate and there was no means to pay then how are you supposed to make a payment at the time?

The issue is the penalty charge they are trying to extract from you for breaking their rules. A private company has no power to fine or impose a financial penalty on any person and it comes down to either the law of contract or the losses they have suffered by your actions.

The contract is between the driver of the vehicle and them but they will write to the registered keeper and demand the RK makes the payment, even if the RK was not the driver. The RK is under no obligation to give the PPC details of the driver, though they may threaten a Norwich Pharmacal Order or quote certain CPR rules (from paragraph 31) in an attempt to scare the person into naming the driver.

The costs of the Norwich Pharmacal Order are met by the person making the application so that is more costs for the PPC. Some have tried this approach but it has been rejected by the courts.

Quoting the CPR rules is also incorrect as the rules they quote do not apply to a small claims court.

As for paying in pay and display car parks, if companies have put in the proper means to allow payment for parking then we advise that you pay. It is the penalties they try and impose if you go over the time limit or in the case of free car parks exceed an arbitrary time limit that are where we advise you to ignore the fine/penalty as they have no power to impose such a fine/penalty.

angel_islington

BadLuckIsNoLuck wrote: »

I just wanted to know if the parking ticket of £90 I had was enforceable.

It's not. Despite what they will try to make you believe. Check the sticky threads for the watchdog videos and see what a solicitor did with a PPC ticket.

You parked there for a valid reason. There were no machines or barriers, therefore no means of making any payment, so they obviously didn't want any.

Which leg do you think they are standing on?

give_them_FA

From what the OP says I do not think this was a pay and display, simply a private car park. His enquiry about charges was, I think, unrelated to his own case?