Paye lgv driver claim tax relief for funding cpc?

Dinky02

Hi

My Husband is employed as HGV driver and he has to sit his CPC training as a legal requirement. He has to sit this training outside his normal working hours... he has to go in his own time at weekends and does not get paid by his employer for doing this.

His employer is paying for half of the cost of this training, and my hubby has to pay the rest..... Can he calim tax back for the outlay of this cost? At the end of the day he has to have this certificate or cannot drive anymore!

Also he has to pay for license renewal which costs, also he has to pay for his medical every 10 yrs which is also is a cost.

These are legal requirements for him to work, so surely there should be a tax claim!

Any advice would me most welcome

Cheers

00ec25

I know nothing about LGV (was HGV) rules and certaintly nothing about the new CPC rules but google produces this
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim66190.htm
which suggests that licence costs would be claimable

In the absence of other responses on here, I suggest you contact his tax office and ask them directly quoting the above link and see if they deny it

corky2

I can't answer the training question (it's a shame that the employer won't pay the full amount ....) but I can answer your other queries:

Where an employed lorry driver meets the cost of the issue or renewal of an LGV licence (formerly HGV licence) and any related medical expense costs these costs are deductible
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim32897.htm

corky2

ooec25 - post crossed! We had the same link!
Hi Dinky 02 - found it (training is a tough one to get through) the answer is no. As an aside, your husband should join this union as it has lots of useful information.
http://www.urtu.com/news_archive/hmrc_clarification_on_driver_cpc_and_taxation2

corky2

http://www.rha.uk.net/docs/documents/Subsistence_Payments_for_Drivers_2012.pdf

Last one! I use to deal with a company with a number of drivers and the sleeper cab allowance was always the hot topic each year.

The medical etc can be claimed by writing to HMRC as set out in the above document from the Road Haulage Association. I presume this is the first year? If not, you can claim earlier years.

John_Pierpoint

corky2 wrote: »

I can't answer the training question (it's a shame that the employer won't pay the full amount ....) but I can answer your other queries:

Where an employed lorry driver meets the cost of the issue or renewal of an LGV licence (formerly HGV licence) and any related medical expense costs these costs are deductible
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/eimanual/eim32897.htm

I had an employer who paid these expenses, provided you passed !

I wonder how many civil servants in and out of HMRC are keeping these accurate daily logs of actual expenditure? I had a relative who used to make a useful little profit on his Per Diem (Latin for Daily) allowance. In the private sector the need to reclaim VAT, killed of the PD allowance for most employees ?

sharnad

John_Pierpoint wrote: »

I had an employer who paid these expenses, provided you passed !

I wonder how many civil servants in and out of HMRC are keeping these accurate daily logs of actual expenditure? I had a relative who used to make a useful little profit on his Per Diem (Latin for Daily) allowance. In the private sector the need to reclaim VAT, killed of the PD allowance for most employees ?

I imagine all of them. They make everyone keep receipts for everyhing

jimmo

Dinky02 wrote: »

Hi

My Husband is employed as HGV driver and he has to sit his CPC training as a legal requirement. He has to sit this training outside his normal working hours... he has to go in his own time at weekends and does not get paid by his employer for doing this.

His employer is paying for half of the cost of this training, and my hubby has to pay the rest..... Can he calim tax back for the outlay of this cost? At the end of the day he has to have this certificate or cannot drive anymore!

Also he has to pay for license renewal which costs, also he has to pay for his medical every 10 yrs which is also is a cost.

These are legal requirements for him to work, so surely there should be a tax claim!

Any advice would me most welcome

Cheers

There’s a good explanation of the principles written by chrimac1 in this thread.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/3769961

It seems that CPC is relatively new, having been brought in in 2009 for LGV drivers but those who were already in the trade were accepted as pre-qualifying and exempted from the initial course but have to complete the 5 year refresher training.

Here is where I looked.
http://www.system-trainingcpc.com/index.html

There, I think, is the answer.

If a person has to complete the initial course that is training to enable him or her to start a career and is, in chrismac1’s words, “human capital” and not allowable.

If a person undertakes the 5 year refresher training that is “maintaining your licence to operate” and is allowable.

John_Pierpoint

sharnad wrote: »

I imagine all of them. They make everyone keep receipts for everything

What actually happens to those receipts ?
I expect, as with MP's expenses, things have changed.

I have fond memories of a week's training course near Reading circa 1979.
It was about the new fangled Hewlett Packard mini computer and the entrepreur who had managed to create something similar on a micro computer. (The term PC had yet to be coined).
On the last evening we went out to celebrate. It was a bit like being on a Jury.

The motley class had me representing the receipts-with-everything firm, but with a requirement to not under spend, for fear of showing up more senior colleagues..:o

An agent in the Gulf, making a fortune (?) flogging HP's & Apples to Arabs, who was counting days and not officially overnight in the UK;)

There was a contingent from Shell the oil company, who seemed to have bottomless pockets, when it came to spending the shareholders' money.:eek:

Plus some Civil Servants who were on a Per Diem allowance.

The waitress really earned her tip that evening as the bill got split "appropriately" and the drink got disguised.:beer:

Horseunderwater

Dinky02 wrote: »

Hi


Also he has to pay for license renewal which costs, also he has to pay for his medical every 10 yrs which is also is a cost.

These are legal requirements for him to work, so surely there should be a tax claim!

Any advice would me most welcome

Cheers

Unless medical rules have changed re Vocational licences (LGV/HGV/PCV) etc then your husband should be made aware of this fact - DVLA will write to him every 5 (FIVE) years once he is 45 years old to have a medical at his GP's surgery. Definitely not every 10. You get sent a letter and form for the GP to complete approx 4-6 weeks prior to - I should know as my first renewal was at 45 years old! Next one is at 50.