Iphone/Ipad Apps that dont work, and why i wouldnt buy an Iphone.

robt_2

Quite staggered that someone who claims to have worked in IT for 30 years doesn't understand the concept of WiFi not using your cellular data allowance.

spadoosh

My mates 3 yr old loves his iphone, Currently enjoying draw something, an app i'd recomend to anyone.

Im not a computer genius (though young, so grown up witha lot of tech and a bit of gadget geek) Never ever ever had a problem with any of the 3 iphones ive had. The reason for change was upgraded model.

As tot he comment about different OS's i thought theyve only had 4 with updates on each ones. And each new OS brings with it massive upgrades on the phone not to mention fixing compatability issues with hardware upgrades.

If you dont like it dont use it. Personally for me i struggle to find something i spend more time on. I stream football in the park, use it as a modem or hotspot or data tetherer (whichever you wanna call it) when im abroad to access emails, internet and streaming. Not really big on apps but the ones ive got (about 115) all seem to work perfectly fine with the exception of facebook swapping people profiles pics but i can deal with that.

The problem i have with my iphone is when i dont have it on me, i find my head full of loads of questions i cant answer.

O to add, red laser works brilliantly on my iphone 4, miinor problem being the database isnt the biggest but i use my phone as a price checker at work so i can show customers onlines prices so they can see they wont get things cheaper. Fortunately about 90% of the products we sell are on the system ad it takes seconds to find prices.

As for australlia suing apple well thats ridiculous, i cant imagine theyll ever win that case and its purely because australlian networks aren't yet capable of running 4g or arent turned on for it yet. Exactly the same in areas of the uk, yet were not suing.

Dave_C_2

So someone posts that he doesn't like the iPhone. Fair enough.
Then follow a set of posts from apple fans, some of which are ad hominems against the Original Poster! Please answer the points in the post, not the poster.

I think only one of the posts addresses the problems posted in the OP.

I don't have an iPhone but have used iPods and the UI is easy once you are shown how to do it. If there is nobody handy that knows how to use an obscure function then you are snookered

Surely there must be a simple button/app the equivalent of "switch off everything except telephony and alarms, I'm going to sleep". And of course the reverse:)

Dave

Mista_C

robt wrote: »

Quite staggered that someone who claims to have worked in IT for 30 years doesn't understand the concept of WiFi not using your cellular data allowance.

There's so much wrong in his post I barely knew where to start.

LincolnshireYokel wrote: »

Congratulations, you missed entireely the point about not changing a working configuration.

Working configurations are changed all the time to meet new needs and requirements, that's what keeps us in jobs.

Yes, its not backward compatible, obviously i didnt make the point clearly enough exactly,

There is some backwards compatibility but would you expect to run a 64-bit application on DOS or try running some 8-bit applications on Windows 7? The requirements are listed to the left on the titles App Store page.

They queue up and wait for you to press the button, and dont offer any advice on the likely reliability or siccess of the upodate, and no method of rolling back

So they're not forced on you then? You have to press a button (several actually) and then confirm it all. I covered the rollback part in my previous post.

Thats because I worked in IT far longer than you, right from the early 1980's and ive seen stuff your never likely to see. The update locked up in the middle and i was forced to do a hard reset., when it came back up it blue screened because the hdd was corrupt and the ipod was also screwed. Both had to be restored from scratch. Working in IT in these days requires very little technical know how, thats why many IT jobs are minimum wage monkey jobs.

I've known people work in IT longer than that, didn't mean they knew what they were doing. If we're having a competition then I should let everyone know i've worked in IT for 14 years but I started programming 12 years before that at the age of 10. I've worked directly for Carillion ITS, Capita ITS, contracted for IBM and supported clients such as BMW, Jaguar, LDV and more on LANs and WANs consisting of 100s of 1000s of servers and workstations, do I win a prize? It's unlikely your PC HDD was corrupted by a download, more likely long-term neglect of the drive or it was already on it's way out. Working in IT these days actually requires the same, if not more, knowledge as in previous years. I say more because ICT equipment is evolving all the time, how much work did you do with USB, or SATA, HDMI, DVI, AGP, PCI, PCI-x, PCI-e 30 years ago? Moore's law, right? Not only do we have new problems to deal with but many engineers still have clients running the older stuff as well not to mention the obligation to take on new training all the time. The reason for the wages is down to a flood of IT people being training in preparation for the millennium bug to hit, the misconception that it's a nice, clean job and the fact that general support has now drifted into the standard job markets and is no longer the specialist nich! it once was.

The phone is loaded with 4.2.1 build 8C148, the current version according to Apple. If it doesnt work with some Apps, thats not really my fault, is it ?

The current iOS version is 5.1 but that you're running 4.2.1 tells me that it's the original iPhone 3 (not the more recent 3Gs) that you're using which was released in 2008 and discontinued in 2010 meaning no more iOS updates for you. Basically you're trying to run Windows 7 on a 486DX2/66 with 8mB of RAM. there have been at least 3 more iPhones released since yours so yes, it's partly your fault.

n,o right, do your research, little boy

Domestic versions of windows

Windows 1 (aka the MS-DOS executive - 1981
Windows 2 1987, x.1 and x.2 versions
Windows 3 1990 3.1 1992
Windows 95 1995
windows 98 1998
Windows Millenium 2000
Windows XP 2001 three service packs
Windows Vista 2006
Windows 7 2009

Average issue rate 3.1 years

And ive worked on all of them, as well as FTOS, all DOS versions, Novell 3,4 and 5, NT 4, Linux, and Check Point's SecurePlatform Pro. Not to mention writing in FORTRAN 77, COBOL 66, BASIC, dBAse 3,4,5 Clipper, MUMPS, SQL, Pascal, C, C+, Java, and machine code on the x.86 family. And lets not even get into LANS, WANS, mail systems, VOX systems, POS systems, SAP and dozens of other systems ive specified and implemented

If you want to have an IT big willy competition, ill win hands down, kid. Ive been around longer.

Almost right but Windows 1, even though announced in 1983, wasn't actually shipped until 1985 bringing your average down to 2.4. In 1981 we were still running on DOS. Congratulations on listing all the things you've worked with, I'm sure having worked on those things also means you're correct 100% of the time. Like I said previously, I've known people who have worked in IT longer than you and it doesn't mean they know what they're doing. Working longer on something doesn't necessarily mean you're an expert in said subject.

The gui is not intuitive. Its itsnt obvious, as I said, to find how to do something requires you to look in the manual or ask someone. That is not a good interface. Good interface programming is when you never have to check the manual on how to do something, because its obvious how to do it by looking at the screen. And ive designed and specified many many user interfaces over the years.

OK, so it's not intuitive to YOU but it seems to be for the majority else it wouldn't have sold in the numbers it has. Manuals are there to be looked at, always have been especially in IT.The iPhone iOS is a complex system, much like Windows which has a manual, help files AND an online knowledge base which IT engineers are trained to use as the first port of call. I've also designed and coded UIs and to be frank, I wouldn't like to use one of yours if there's no reference material to go with it.

On the same vien. as if to prove my point, the newspapers are carrying the story that

Apple to offer refund to ALL buyers of new iPad in Australia after 'misleading' 4G claims

Which has nothing to do with you not being able to handle a smart phone.
BTW, according to the Bakodo page the release of iOS 4.2.1 patched an exploit with the AVFoundation Framework that caused the app to crash. Since then the developers have released updates to address the problem and are currently on version 3.4. Maybe you need to update Bakodo?

spadoosh

Dave_C wrote: »

So someone posts that he doesn't like the iPhone. Fair enough.
Then follow a set of posts from apple fans, some of which are ad hominems against the Original Poster! Please answer the points in the post, not the poster.

I think only one of the posts addresses the problems posted in the OP.

I don't have an iPhone but have used iPods and the UI is easy once you are shown how to do it. If there is nobody handy that knows how to use an obscure function then you are snookered

Surely there must be a simple button/app the equivalent of "switch off everything except telephony and alarms, I'm going to sleep". And of course the reverse:)

Dave

On an iphone there are 5 buttons, 2 for volume control, 1 to turn on silent, 1 for power on/off and locking. And the 'home' button. Everthing else is accesed through setting icon on the phone. There is no app that controls the phone, this is something that would allow overrides on apples main features.

As for turning off what uses data, this can be easily done by going into 'settings' then 'general' then 'network' and sliding to off 'enable 3g' and 'mobile data' This will stop charges. It is simple to do but having one button that turns everything off would be dependant on the user surely, everyone would want different things turning off. There is an aeroplane(sp?!) mode that would turn off all phone and internet options but obviously phone service will be cut.

Like i said the interface is possibly the most simplest out there, my friends 3yo daughter has no problems with it.

There are plenty of apps out there the give you hints & tips on the iphone i would suggest using one of these. A lot of the apps out now are designed to only work with the iphone 4+ due to different chip sets and compatability issues in terms of graphics and upscaling. Ths will be why alot of the gentlemans apps are not working, if he read the description of the apps that he was downloading it states what OS it needs to be on and what models of phone/device it will work on. Unfortunately a lot of this data is only accesible through the proper app store and will not be found in the app 'app store'. Also alot of the apps are built by non proffesionals (the software package can be bought for about £50 and i think its called NPK though could be wrong) and as such alot of apps are made to solve personal problems and arent really made by technical geniuses, hence there is a rating system. With regards to 'navfree uk' and other road type apps, this obvious flaw in this is that they are free, might i suggest if the op wants guarantees of a working app suitable for satelite navigation they invest in the tomtom app. A proffesional piece of software that has very good reviews. Personally i think its very optimistic for a free app to deliver something that other apps charge £50+ for, this to me is common sense. Any app that costs less than £2.50 and is made by a non reputable company will probably not be the best, will have flaws and will have compatability issues

The op is perfectly entitled to their own opinion but to suggest the product isnt very good based on a service they recieve for free when there are products out there that charge for the better service/product is expecting a lot in my opinion.

Hes more than entitled to have his view but hundreds of millions of iphone users globally disagree.

As for regarding me as an apple fan, well yes i am. They have delivered a product to me that helps me personally in business and in socialising, a product i have yet to find a decent competitor for in the market. IMO (if i have to put that but hundreds of polls state it as fact) It is simply the best smartphone available on the market, Sales, reviews and retailers confirm this.

Mista_C

Dave_C wrote: »

Surely there must be a simple button/app the equivalent of "switch off everything except telephony and alarms, I'm going to sleep". And of course the reverse:)

Dave

That should be Airplane Mode in Settings, well except the telephony part.

[Deleted User]

Dave_C wrote: »

Surely there must be a simple button/app the equivalent of "switch off everything except telephony and alarms, I'm going to sleep". And of course the reverse:)

When it hits 11pm, my android phone changes it's background to black, lowers the screen brightness to it's lowest setting, turns the phone on mute (except for alarms) and waits until it hits 7pm to revert back to it's original settings. There's an app that lets you control all the aspects of the phone like that (Tasker). The phone doesn't burn up it's 3G allowance because i have a button on my front screen that lets me turn it off and on easily (and it stays on wifi when i'm at home).

But, if the OP can't handle iOS (which I must remind you, my 2 year old taught himself how to use) then you might have even more trouble with Android

I'm in no way an Apple fanboi, but i just can't fathom how a 'dinosaur of IT' can't figure out iOS without needing a manual

Dave_C_2

ringo_24601 wrote: »

When it hits 11pm, my android phone changes it's background to black, lowers the screen brightness to it's lowest setting, turns the phone on mute (except for alarms) and waits until it hits 7pm to revert back to it's original settings. There's an app that lets you control all the aspects of the phone like that (Tasker). The phone doesn't burn up it's 3G allowance because i have a button on my front screen that lets me turn it off and on easily (and it stays on wifi when i'm at home).

That's what I was looking for (obviously not a physical button) I assume there is an iPhone equivalent.

Dave, trying to avoid a holy war.

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Dave_C wrote: »

That's what I was looking for (obviously not a physical button) I assume there is an iPhone equivalent.

Dave, trying to avoid a holy war.

Fundamentally impossible on an iPhone - each app exists in it's own walled garden, with no ability to influence the OS. It's why your iPhone would never get a virus but an Android phone could. It's why i'm very happy having an iPad but wouldn't ever get an iPhone

bod1467

I programmed NC machines using punch tape donkeys years ago, then CNC machines using magnetic tape. Do I win the e-peen contest?