Public / Private sector pay gap widens

thescouselander

worldtraveller wrote: »

Is it "are" or "will" be on career average? The vast majority, as in around 90% of 5 million public sector workers with pensions are still on final salary schemes now.

Yes, I said that because most public sector pensions are in the process of being renegotiated but the new arrangements might not kick in until around 2015 depending on the scheme. After than point most will be on career average schemes - final salary schemes are a thing of the past.

chewmylegoff

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Plump boomer managers slashing lower grade younger staff and leaving fewer and smaller overworked teams. Who then have to read silly articles about how overpaid they are.

I've seen this in every public sector place I've worked. I've seen a lot of redundancies over the last few years, I've only seen one manager go. One team where they laid off all of us project staff ended up with five managers.

Well, in the department I used to work in it was completely the other way around, shortly after I left the head of the organisation changed, then almost the entire layer of management who had enough power to fire any of the junior staff were systematically booted out over the course of about a year, meanwhile all the totally useless junior staff who were completely adequately qualified remained untouched and untrained. So the all the SEOs and grade 7s and the tiny number of competent HEOs who did all the work just left. Organisation wasn't that great when I was there but is an ineffectual laughing stock now.

StevieJ

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Well, in the department I used to work in it was completely the other way around, shortly after I left the head of the organisation changed, then almost the entire layer of management who had enough power to fire any of the junior staff were systematically booted out over the course of about a year, meanwhile all the totally useless junior staff who were completely adequately qualified remained untouched and untrained. So the all the SEOs and grade 7s and the tiny number of competent HEOs who did all the work just left. Organisation wasn't that great when I was there but is an ineffectual laughing stock now.

I am struggling to understand your post, I think you are missing an IN ( adequately) for a start, why can only one layer of management sack staff, what about the layer of management above who have presumably become the new line managers?

chewmylegoff

StevieJ wrote: »

I am struggling to understand your post, I think you are missing an IN ( adequately) for a start, why can only one layer of management sack staff, what about the layer of management above who have presumably become the new line managers?

Yes, inadequately, thanks.

What I mean is that almost everyone at grade 6 or above was booted out. Several tiers of management were exterminated.

Ilya_Ilyich

In private businesses the purpose of employees is to maximise the amount of profit that flows to shareholders. There's therefore constant downward pressure on wages and private sector employees are more-or-less by definition paid substantially less than the value of the work they do. In the public sector there is (in theory) less of a profit motive so it's therefore to be expected that there will be less of a gap between the value of the work they do and the compensation they receive.

The_White_Horse

lefties, unions and looking after their own. lefties like to come across caring and sharing but you'll rarely find a more disgusting duplicitous nose in the trough grasping money grubbing scum bag if you tried.

Andy_L

chewmylegoff wrote: »

Furthermore some public sector employees continue to get decent payrises e.g. Tube staff.

Genuine question, are the drivers drivers counted as public sector or private or do they exist in some twilight PPP zone?

N1AK

Colour me unsuprised. Unemployment is comparitively high and workers are keen to keep their jobs. Most companies will keep pay increases to a minimum in conditions like that. Additionally as others have pointed out the public sector is outsourcing many of the lowest level roles to minimise costs. Why hire a clear when it's virtually impossible to fire them and you have to give them a hugely expensive benefits package? It's far easier to get a contract firm to do it and who gives a toss if the workers can afford pensions, maternity leave etc.

FTBFun

thescouselander wrote: »

Yes bus most private sector employees get free cars and other perks like tickets to the footy and free parties etc - that wasn't taken into account either.

Probably because its utter rubbish.

noodle_doodle

public sector employees include teachers, doctors, lecturers, university researchers - all require postgraduate qualifications, all provide essential services (hence why they are in the public sector) and are all thus deserving of higher pay. Compared to your average laminated paperclip salesman it's not surprising they get paid more.