Restoration of the age related allowance

zygurat789

margaretclare wrote: »

....and by the way, Tesco lean beef steak mince is now £2.15 for 250g.

This discussion has now reached ridiculous levels.

Which is an increase of 72% in a year.
Margaret you're with the turkeys

margaretclare

zygurat789 wrote: »

Which is an increase of 72% in a year.
Margaret you're with the turkeys

No, I am not about to vote for Christmas, but I am realistic.

No one has yet had to send me money for food, but I have had to do just that for a younger person. DH and I can afford to eat, we can afford to do the things we like doing and we can afford to save. We think we are fortunate.

StevieJ

MonkeyMad wrote: »

I do care about all of the poorest in society actually which I why I care more about the basic allowance being lifted to take more pensioners and younger poor out of taxation than keeping the anachronistic age allowance which benefits those richer pensioners more than the poorest pensioners. I do not see middle income pensioners as a special needs minority group to be given exemption from the economic situation around them

So it didn't make sense, fair enough

teajug

margaretclare wrote: »

No, I am not about to vote for Christmas, but I am realistic.

No one has yet had to send me money for food, but I have had to do just that for a younger person. DH and I can afford to eat, we can afford to do the things we like doing and we can afford to save. We think we are fortunate.

Margaret you are fortunate that you and hubby can afford to eat, do the things that you can afford to do and save, however, you will appreciate that you and hubby have 2 state pensions and 2 private pensions and benefits if you and hubby get them. Also you probably have your mortgage paid and no rent to pay.

Pensioners living also have ONE income and maybe have to pay a mortgage or rent our of that with no help from the state as they may be just over the limit to get some or it could be that they do not want to hand his or her personal life over to the state or be called scroungers.

:T

margaretclare

teajug wrote: »

Margaret you are fortunate that you and hubby can afford to eat, do the things that you can afford to do and save, however, you will appreciate that you and hubby have 2 state pensions and 2 private pensions and benefits if you and hubby get them. Also you probably have your mortgage paid and no rent to pay.

So what? Are we meant to put on a hair-shirt, wear sackcloth and ashes just because there are 2 of us? The fact that one day there won't be 2 of us but will be one, is the main reason why we're saving while we can.

Incidentally, you're wrong about the mortgage. We have what's called a 'lifetime mortgage', otherwise known as equity release, because I had a mortgage of £45K which I couldn't afford to pay off following widowhood and redundancy.

Pensioners living also have ONE income and maybe have to pay a mortgage or rent our of that with no help from the state as they may be just over the limit to get some or it could be that they do not want to hand his or her personal life over to the state or be called scroungers.

There is a vast difference between people living alone and those of us in couples. I have pointed out many times that the poorest of pensioners are older women, those who assumed they'd get pension provision through their husbands, but it didn't happen. There are many people who are a lot worse off than us but also a lot who are much better off. I can think of some among people I actually know, not people you read about in newspapers.

PS: ...and I did state in post # 244 'We think we are fortunate'. So there is no need for you to TELL us we're fortunate!

The fact that we each have full state pensions in our own right plus pension provision from previous careers - are you saying that's something we should be ashamed of? All those years at work doing responsible, active and worthwhile jobs? Was that being 'fortunate'? It didn't come from winning the lottery or any such, it did come from a lifetime in the working world. What, pray, is wrong with that?

jamesd

zygurat789 wrote: »

You pay for heating at work, now there's a first

It's routine for people who work at home to pay those costs as well as the cost of power for the equipment used.

Sure you don't want to stop trying to dodge? Or you could just recant and accept that not everyone has the situation you were thinking of.

teajug

margaretclare wrote: »

So what? Are we meant to put on a hair-shirt, wear sackcloth and ashes just because there are 2 of us? The fact that one day there won't be 2 of us but will be one, is the main reason why we're saving while we can.

Incidentally, you're wrong about the mortgage. We have what's called a 'lifetime mortgage', otherwise known as equity release, because I had a mortgage of £45K which I couldn't afford to pay off following widowhood and redundancy. .

Wow, I did not mention anywhere that you are supposed to wear a hair-shirt, or sack cloth, I merely mention what you posted that you are ‘fortunate’ and you can eat. I also said that was probably due to having 2 incomes in the family compared to a single pension living on 1 income. What was wrong with that?

How was I to know that you have a mortgage of £45k? But there again it is ‘fortunate’ that interest rates are so low for such a long time compared to pensioners renting as rents are not cheap today with no rent controls.

margaretclare wrote: »

The fact that we each have full state pensions in our own right plus pension provision from previous careers - are you saying that's something we should be ashamed of? All those years at work doing responsible, active and worthwhile jobs? Was that being 'fortunate'? It didn't come from winning the lottery or any such, it did come from a lifetime in the working world. What, pray, is wrong with that?

As you know, I never mention that it was shameful working. There is certainly nothing to be ashamed of working all your life (it’s about time you got of your high horse) I am working and will continue to work all of my life and I consider myself FORTUNATE that I can work but it would be more FORTUNATE if I won the lottery.

Just because you feel FORTUNATE it does not followed that all pensioners feels FORTUNATE, some single pensioners feels UNFORTUNATE living on ONE income s/he may have to struggle to survive on that one small income or state pension while paying rent or mortgage and all the outgoing that goes with maintaining a home on ONE income. NOT FORTUNATE AT ALL.

margaretclare

So it all comes down to being 'fortunate' to live in a couple, each with own pensions income rather being single people. I have pointed out previously that I've been poor when I was widowed and redundant, and DH was certainly poor when we got together. I grew up in poverty and I do know what it's like. have pointed out, also, that the poorest people in retirement years - according to AgeUK - are women on their own.

About the mince for £2.19 per 250g - it made us a darned good meal yesterday, with the addition of an onion and a tin of chopped tomatoes. Cheaper than any of the 'subsidised meals' at the local day centre, cheaper than any of the OAP fish-and-chips down the sea-front, because it was good-quality steak it didn't take too much cooking, and IMHO it was very good value.

harz99

harz99 wrote: »

Very few things are ever a "complete and utter waste of time", and as someone said "its not over until the fat lady sings".

So please sign the e-petition at

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31778

thanks.

65979 now signed.

Thanks to everyone who is helping keep this thread alive:T

harz99

harz99 wrote: »

Very few things are ever a "complete and utter waste of time", and as someone said "its not over until the fat lady sings".

So please sign the e-petition at

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/31778

thanks.

66016 now signed.