utilitys:do they prosecute for meter tampering?

mac.d

Will the introduction of smart meters make a significant difference do you think?

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huge difference,smarts know when they are bypassed ,( apparantly!) Today I found a brazen electric meter bypass in an outside box.The lady of the house approached me full of tears saying its not fair she s been caught when there is lots more in the street doing it and shes only had the bypass in for 3 weeks.The important thing about this story is that hardly anyone answered the door in that street, and that was at 5.30 pm.I would say only the stupid actually get caught,most will not answer the door to anyone knocking at all if they have bypassed the meters.
does anyone know if its possible at all to measure the "imbalance", that is, what electricty/gas is produced and what revenue is recieved

Terrylw1

No chance on that measurement I'm afraid.

The industry every since deregulation has had massive problems on that score and Elexon have been monitoring suppliers ever since but only on the biggest issues which have usually been deenergised site levels, large EAC/AA's and d0095 data flows (the latter is the mismatch between the data collector and mpas as held in the data aggregators records where settlement is passed to distributors for DUoS charges)

Also, suppliers have never billed their customer base inline with what they pay for. Until they sort out these gap issues, suppliers themselves won't know.

To take it down to mpan/mprn level across a portfolio, you would need completely accurate data to always go through settlement. I know that will never happen, smart will improve it but it can't solve it as the issues go way beyond just technology.

chanz4

A lot of the rpu's do an assement for the loss of revenue for the suppliers, however they are way over.

utility_csa

mac.d wrote: »

Will the introduction of smart meters make a significant difference do you think?

Yes, they make a massive difference.

I can see when the meter has had the terminal cover removed, the amps per phase, if reverse run is detected and loads more.

Plus the data collectors are very hot on smart meter sites that are recording zero load / consumption

C_Mababejive

I notice there is also a nice new line in gas meter OFMAT seals on Ebay from a number of sources. Again...Ebay not interested.

mod-boy

A VERY INTERESTING THREAD! ...but who's fiddling who?

Fiddling:- I for one, don't resent anybody who would be clever enough to do it. Not at all. I wouldn't stamp my feet and say "it's not fair! - I have to pay whatever the companies say I have to pay,- (no regulation) so therefore I'll grass em up (cos I haven't got the bottle or brains to do it") All a bit 'dog in a manger' is that.

No. What is not fair is that the elec/gas companies have the free rein with charging exactly what they like, always putting up prices, deliberately creating complicated tarrifs nobody understands, what is 'calorific value' !!!!??? f f s???

Can somebody tell me what ofcom/offwat are even being paid to do?

Nobody regulates it. Nobody. Old/vulnerable/poor people have to choose eat or heat. THATS what's not fair.:mad:

What would be fair is transparency as to how it is worked out and fairer prices. That will never happen because nobody with a vested interested would allow it. Infact there'd be more chance of lord lucan winning the grand national on shergar....:rotfl:

There. I've said it. And no doubt that will make me unpopular with 'some.' Such is life.:D

NB. The way things are, the economy, I can't blame anybody who does do it., its survival, not greed. Certainly I wouldn't grass on them, either. Or feel smug if they were found out.

Infact I imagine there must be a few in the know , in the trade who could make a fair bit of money telling people how to do it.

A funny thing, before my grandma had her old wheel type meter took out and replaced with a digital one, she was told that all meters become 'dangerous' after a period of time, for example dangerous sludge seepage emits from them apparently. How very irresponsible/cavalier of the elec companies to knowingly fit a meter knowing it will after a few years become 'dangerous'. especially in an elders house. Lucky for her she never saw any dangerous sludge seepage running out from the meter, and her axminster did not get damaged, but that must have been sheer luck. Now she is worried about radiation beaming out of the new one!:rotfl:

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thanks mod-boy, I think a lot of people would agree with you about not blaming anyone who does it,my missus agrees with you and thinks any poor people should not be condemned or penalised for the victomless crime of fiddling the lekky and gas, she also thinks they should be allowed to shop lift with no comebacks.What do you think about the two large familys of Romanian Gipsys in the same street last month, who I found fiddling the gas.having destroyed the meter in the process.They both had lovely red hot houses through the cold winter.I dont expect they will get much money back from those familys either as they were told to not do it again.Personally I would like to see those familys shipped back to Romania, but as they dont seem to have broken any laws (according to British Gas and Eon ) they can stay happily in their £400 a month housing benefit houses.The only reason I found them out is because I was a bit pushy in getting to the meters in the cellars, most of them dont open the doors to anyone knocking at all.I am not picking on Romanian Gipsys in particular as our home grown British are at it to the same extent

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Thanks C_Mababjive ,( have just got the name pun) well spotted.they r back on again are they. Along with gas and electic theft,they, ebay should be prosecuted, I reckon ebay should be dragged into the Crown Courts for this sort of blatent middleman advertising, assisting in performing a theft. shocking.

utility_csa

sacsquacco wrote: »

Thanks C_Mababjive ,( have just got the name pun) well spotted.they r back on again are they. Along with gas and electic theft,they, ebay should be prosecuted, I reckon ebay should be dragged into the Crown Courts for this sort of blatent middleman advertising, assisting in performing a theft. shocking.

See Google being in trouble for advertising "copyright" material. sort of the same as ebay.