Excel Parking - Sheffield Eyre Lane Underground (Jury's Inn)

curryeater_2

Hello everyone,

I've been parking in this car park for months on more or less a daily basis. There is a common practice of many motorists parking outside of the marked bays, a practice which I have observed and took part many times in without attracting a single parking ticket. I actually think it is clever of Excel parking to allow motorists to park outside of the bays (as long as no obstruction is caused) as this allows more motors to enjoy the cheapest daily rate in the centre of Sheffield.

The convravention code is "86 - parked outside marked bay" however by 9am everyday the car park is full, all the usual marked bays and all the "make-shift" unmarked bays motorists use, i.e. against pillars etc are full, so I could easily go back in and take pictures of this. My defense is that this contravention is not applicable in this car park due to this common practice which is clearly endorsed by Excel themselves (why wouldn't they, it's more revenue for them).

Shall I do nothing and ignore the subsequent letters or appeal? The only problem is this car park is full of CCTV and they will have evidence showing I was the driver so there's no back-up in the very unlikely event of this going to court.

Many thanks.

ManxRed

You should do nothing, and ignore them, but not for those reasons - the reasons are that in reality they are entitled to pursue you for their actual losses only, under contract law. I'm assuming this is either a free car park, OR you paid for the parking, so these losses are zero.

And photographic evidence is meaningless. So don't worry about that either.

curryeater_2

Thank you for that clarification ManxRed, yes I had paid for the parking, I have kept the display ticket and they even noted I'd paid on the slip itself.

trisontana

I like that bit about "convravention code 86" anybody would think they are trying to pretend it's some sort of official parking ticket.

Additionally, have Excel somehow thought up at least 86 ways of breaking their rules? I would like to see a full list of them. Anything for a laugh!

HO87

trisontana wrote: »

I like that bit about "convravention code 86" anybody would think they are trying to pretend it's some sort of official parking ticket.

Additionally, have Excel somehow thought up at least 86 ways of breaking their rules? I would like to see a full list of them. Anything for a laugh!

here's part of their listings (courtesy of what they disclosed during their tax tribunal case last year)

24 - NOT PARKED CORRECTLY WITHIN THE MARKINGS OF THE BAY OR SPACE

40 - PARKED IN A DISABLED SPACE WITHOUT CLEARLY DISPLAYING A VALID DISABLED PERSONS BADGE.

80 - PARKED FOR LONGER THAN THE MAXIMUM PERIOD PERMITTED

81 - PARKED IN A RESTRICTED AREA OF A CAR PARK

82 - PARKED AFTER THE EXPIRY OF TIME IN A PAY AND DISPLAY CAR PARK

83 - PARKED WITHOUT CLEARLY DISPLAYING A VALID TICKET/ PERMIT

86 - PARKED BEYOND THE BAY MARKINGS

89 - VEHICLE PARKED EXCEEDS MAXIMUM WEIGHT AND/OR HEIGHT PERMITTED IN AREA

94 - PARKED WITHOUT DISPLAYING A VALID TICKET/PERMIT

95 - RETURING TO A CAR PARK WITHIN THE NO RETURN PERIOD/TIME

AB - OTHER(SPECIFY)”


HTH

trisontana

How closely do those code numbers match those issued by councils?

ManxRed

Yeah, and where's 1 - 23, 25 - 39, and 41 - 79?

Are they council specific and have been errrrr, not used?

ManxRed

Well well, who'd a thunk it?

Code Type Alleged Contravention
1 Higher Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours
2 Higher Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.
4 Lower Parked in a meter bay when penalty time is indicated
5 Lower Parked after the expiry of paid for time
6 Lower Parked without clearly displaying a valid pay and display ticket or voucher
7 Lower Parked with payment made to extend the stay beyond initial time
8 Lower Parked at an out-of-order meter during controlled hours
9 Lower Parked displaying multiple pay & display tickets where prohibited
10 Lower Parked without clearly displaying two valid pay and display tickets when required
11 Lower Parked without payment of the parking charge
12 Higher Parked in a residents' or shared use place/zone without clearly displaying either a permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place
14 Higher Parked in an electric vehicles' charging place during restricted hours without charging
16 Higher Parked in a permit space without displaying a valid permit
18 Higher Using a vehicle in a parking place in connection with the sale or offering or exposing for sale of goods when prohibited
19 Lower Parked in a residents' or shared use parking place/zone displaying an invalid permit, an invalid voucher or invalid pay and display ticket
20 Higher Parked in a loading gap marked by a yellow line
21 Higher Parked in a suspended bay/space or part of bay/space
22 Lower Re-parked in the same parking place/zone within one hour (or other specified time) of leaving
23 Higher Parked in a parking place or area not designated for that class of vehicle
24 Lower Not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space
25 Higher Parked in a loading place during restricted hours without loading
26 Higher Vehicle parked more than 50cm (or other specified distance) from the edge of the carriageway and not within a designated parking place
27 Higher Parked adjacent to a dropped footway
30 Lower Parked for longer than permitted
34 Higher Being in a bus lane
35 Lower Parked in a disc parking place without clearly displaying a valid disc
36 Lower Parked in a disc parking place for longer than permitted
40 Higher Parked in a designated disabled person’s parking place without clearly displaying a valid disabled person’s badge.
41 Higher Parked in a parking place designated for diplomatic vehicles
42 Higher Parked in a parking place designated for police vehicles
45 Higher Parked on a taxi rank
46 Higher Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
47 Higher Stopped on a restricted bus stop/stand
48 Higher Stopped in a restricted area outside a school
49 Higher Parked wholly or partly on a cycle track or lane
55 Higher A commercial vehicle parked in a restricted street in contravention of the Overnight Waiting Ban
56 Higher Parked in contravention of a commercial vehicle waiting restriction
57 Higher Parked in contravention of a coach ban
61 Higher A heavy commercial vehicle wholly or partly parked on a footway, verge or land between two carriageways
62 Higher Parked with one or more wheels on any part of an urban road other than a carriageway (footway parking)
63 Lower Parked with engine running where prohibited
99 Higher Stopped on a pedestrian crossing and/or crossing area marked by zigzags

Off-Street Car Parks
Code Type Alleged Contravention
70 Higher Parked in a loading area during restricted hours without reasonable excuse
73 Lower Parked without payment of the parking charge
74 Higher Using a vehicle in a parking place in connection with the sale or offering or exposing for sale of goods when prohibited
80 Lower Parked for longer than the maximum period permitted
81 Higher Parked in a restricted area in a car park
82 Lower Parked after the expiry of paid for time
83 Lower Parked in a car park without clearly displaying a valid pay & display ticket or voucher or parking clock
84 Lower Parked with additional payment made to extend the stay beyond time first purchased
85 Higher Parked in a permit bay without clearly displaying a valid permit
86 Lower Parked beyond the bay markings
87 Higher Parked in a disabled person’s parking space without clearly displaying a valid disabled person’s badge.
89 Higher Vehicle parked exceeds maximum weight and/or height and/or length permitted in the area
90 Lower Re-parked within one hour of leaving a bay or space in a car park
91 Higher Parked in a car park or an area not designated for that class of vehicle
92 Higher Parked causing an obstruction
93 Lower Parked in car park when closed
94 Lower Parked in a pay and display car park without clearly displaying two valid pay and display tickets when required
95 Lower Parked in a parking place for a purpose other than the designated purpose for the parking place
96 Lower Parked with engine running where prohibited

trisontana

Snap..........!

vax2002

You have not been given a parking ticket !
what you have got is a flyer left on your windscreen from a company impersonating authority.
They are a private company and have no legal or lawful course to issue a fine of any description.
Legally what they have left you is an invitation to pay a private invoice.
My advice is you reject the invitation and keep your money
If they think they are owed it, let them try and prove it in the civil court, as they have suffered no loss by your actions, in fact gained by them if anything if they are saying your payment was not valid, then they owe you it back.
Do not confuse this with an official police or council ticket, it is neither, but a clever impersonation of one.
Ignore it and you will get several silly letters, the characters in the impersonation will change to debt collectors and fake solicitors, all again an impersonation, then eventually they will give up.
Now the hard bit : Learning how to Ignore, I advise people find a child to demonstrate how Ignoring works, they are far better than us adults at it.

HO87

Excel's could not have created that list by chance. It was clearly copied for a purpose and one wonders what that might be? Might it have been for what could be called misrepresentation of authority?

The part listing I gave above had been singled out - for the purposes of the tax tribunal case - because it was deemed that they appeared to represent trespass rather than breaches of contract. Bearing in mind that it was part of VCS's case (VCS and Excel are sister companies) that the sums they collected from their tickets "were akin to fines" and were therefore exempt from VAT.