csa after 19

13Kent

At least after 19 if you do end up paying through choice or otherwise at least the money goes directly to the child and not via the PWC with is a small improvement. Good luck, I sympathise with you, and with abitof help - we are also CSA 1 and have discovered that taking the eldest out of the equation means that the payable amount doesn't drop by anywhere near 50% in fact it only drops by about 20% ! The eldest in our case started 6th form then dropped out and is doing nothing, unable to claim benefits and is trying to get an apprenticeship where despite earning money the child will still be eligible for CSA as child benefit is still payable as apprenticeships are counted as further education. We are in limbo waiting to see what will happen as we suspect the apprenticeship job will last about as long as the A level courses.....

his_wife

abitofhelp, we will probably be that family it happens too:o

his_wife

bitofhelp,,, u have just given me food for thought now, as far as i am aware i am sure she has another year at college, as she got held back a year, so that may change things for csa payments etc,,,, her mum gets full benefits she works 16 hours, so i can understand her panic!!

However, i had to pull one of my children out of college as they qualified for no help, and i couldnt afford to send them:o

his_wife

13kent, my husband is on csa1, i am on csa2 with my ex, so i feel your pain, totally agree about taking parent with care out of equation, however, my problem remains the same, we are permanently in the red, was hoping once csa payments stopped we could get back into the black.

Hubby would probably still help his daughter, just not to the extent of what he pays now

kevin137

his_wife wrote: »

bitofhelp,,, u have just given me food for thought now, as far as i am aware i am sure she has another year at college, as she got held back a year, so that may change things for csa payments etc,,,, her mum gets full benefits she works 16 hours, so i can understand her panic!!

However, i had to pull one of my children out of college as they qualified for no help, and i couldnt afford to send them:o

If she is still at college it still stops on her 19th b/day as far as the CSA is concerned, you are worrying yourself without needing too.

IF and it is a BIG IF she decided to go to court for maintenance i would be extremely surprised if she got it, i have never heard of anyone getting this, but i did hear something about disabled claiming and being awarded further care through the courts, but that is a very very different situation...!

abitofhelp

the payment taken out of the bank in march hadnt been altered, we recieved both a new schedule through the post and a phone call from the csa stating that the new schedule would be £80.23 a week from the 11th feb 2012, however i believe it is several weeks behind. the liability will stop on the childs 19th birthday regardless of any disability or education requirements. we shall phone them next month if need be. a bit of back ground on myself and partner.
my partners children were both planned for with his ex, she was able to give up work to be a stay at home mum, he didnt plan on her having an affair. he had a girlfriend before he met me & his ex caused trouble there. i however am made of sterner stuff and relish dealing with people like his ex, we have been together nearly 9 years. we had contact with his kids for about 8 months before she started turning the kids against him, we have had them on the odd occasion since. his youngest has been disabled since birth he is not as disbaled as he was now he is a teenager, the eldest apparentley is claiming dla as she has learning problems, nothing wrong with that child until we stopped having contact being bitter and twisted and using your children destroys there lives. we have quite happily paid the csa as it gives my partner pride knowing he still has something to do with his kids lives. when it stops we will be happy to help them further, now csa has ended for the eldest we are having more phone calls from his ex, nice ones in fact telling us what they are up to, so we will see how that develops, the loss of £351 a month plus child benefit in 3 years time will no doubt be playing on her mind and how it will affect her benefits with no qc. i firmly believe in what goes around comes around, we are happy to help the kids in the future and hope to have more contact when the csa ends & as for being taken to court for further help if a child has disabilities bring it on, the child will then be an adult and will be entitled to benefits in their own right. i still suspect a judge would rule against the claim. sorry for the long post i'm not moaning i'm really not its just how it is, also i belive once a child reaches 19 and wants to continue in college they have to pay a yearly fee of £300 + to carry on in the next year.

13Kent

Your situation sounds very similar to ours abitofhelp. Our PWC had a series of affairs before my husband had to finally admit their marriage wasn't worth trying to save even for the sake of the children. He paid from the moment she decided he had to move out, and she lied to the CSA and told them he hadn't paid and we ended up with a huge arrears bill for money he had already paid. I believe that what goes around comes around too, but it just seems to be a very long time coming! We thought once the children were older they would become wise to the tricks of the mother but that has yet to happen. We had things like when we had them for a wkd she would ring and say "Guess what we've bought you?" and then they would spend the rest of the weekend desperate to get back to her to find out what she'd got them rather than enjoying being with us.

his wife I feel your pain, we struggle financially at times too, and it grates on me that I can't give my children the things her children get - holidays to disney florida being one - while the CSA deem her to be on nil income as she gets WTC despite both her and her husband working - but his income doesn't count of course whereas on CSA1 my income can be used to contribute to the household bills. We are counting the days till the liability ends and then it's our choice to support them directly if we wish. But it's unfair that taking one child out that the amount only drops by 20%. I didn't expect it to dropby 50% due to the carers allowance part but I did think it would go down by a bit more! But I've given up being cross about it as it was making us miserable and now we are looking forward to a few years down the line when the liability ends and we will have a bit extra in our household income for a few luxuries we hope!

abitofhelp

quite agree with the giving up being cross about it, however it is well documented amongst my friends that i will be having a big big party in 3 years maybe 2 but i doubt it, it will be 3 years and i will be buying a pair of christian louboutins maybe two anyway rant over, just opened a new letter from csa we have a new scedule 5 seperate payment amounts over the next 5 months each for different amounts until it reaches the £351 we are meant to pay. ps should either child require a washing machine ets or help with a house deposit we shall be happy to help, yes we have struggled in the past and my children have had to do without things, however as my eldest is off to uni soon i will try my hardest to ensure they are the best years of his life.

Caz3121

his_wife wrote: »

her mum gets full benefits she works 16 hours, so i can understand her panic!!

It is not only maintenance, it is the benefits too, the benefits board is full of posts about child benefit and child and working tax credits stopping and how are they going to support themselves on 16 hours wage. Unfortunately some people don't tend to think ahead.
My stepson wanted to move in with us at 16 but mother stopped it as she said she could not afford to lose £600 per month in benefits and maintenance. As soon as she thought he was going to leave education so everything would stop she kicked him out and he came to live with us. (and he did stay in education and she paid no support)

his_wife

i have just wrote a massive essay and it vanished, grrrrr. :mad:

I have the upmost sympathy and empathy for you both, i will always do my very best for both sets of children, mine and my husbands, however, i always feel like my children loose out, money, holidays , valuable time with me etc, as we are constantly chasing money.

My husband, when he was with his ex, didnt give her that much money a month when he was with her just to spend on his daughter, so how does it work now,,, it mystifies me. If i got that amount for all four of my children i would be elated.;)

I know once his daughter stops generating money into her mums household, she will be living in mine, not quite sure where, as we have no room now, but i will find some somewhere.

We too received our new schedule of csa for next 12 payments, ermmm there isnt 12 payments left,,, back to their stupidity and incompetence, never mind, we shall keep them right

Thank you, you have made me feel a little better, knowing there are more than us on csa1