Recording HD TV from Sky+ HD to a PC

neilwoods

scotsbob wrote: »

There you go Avoriaz, the forum teacher has arrived to correct your work with his red pen.

And here comes the forum troll

Ectophile

neilwoods wrote: »

Technically it is illegal to record TV (time shifting) in this country, but they allow it to happen to a degree, so if you record for your own use then they allow, but if you upload it and share it, or download a tv show someone else has recorded, then you do run the risk of being taking to court.

You might want to re-read section 70 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. Recording for the purposes of time-shifting is explicitly legalised under the copyright act.

"The making [F2 in domestic premises] for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast F3... solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast ... or in any work included in it."

That's a cut-and-paste directly from the act.

neilwoods

Ectophile wrote: »

You might want to re-read section 70 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. Recording for the purposes of time-shifting is explicitly legalised under the copyright act.

"The making [F2 in domestic premises] for private and domestic use of a recording of a broadcast F3... solely for the purpose of enabling it to be viewed or listened to at a more convenient time does not infringe any copyright in the broadcast ... or in any work included in it."

That's a cut-and-paste directly from the act.

Fair play, i stand corrected on the use of recording for your own use. But does it cover the uploading of it and then sharing or download of it, as they would not be the person recording it.

Avoriaz

almillar wrote: »

It's not legal for you to keep that Jools Holland recording for longer than 2 weeks though as far as I'm aware.

I'm not aware of any law about not keeping recordings longer than two weeks.

You may be geting confused with BBC iPlayer which sets a time limit (4 weeks I think) on downloaded programmes.

If there is such a law, then many millions of Sky+ users are breaking that law.

Avoriaz

almillar wrote: »

..Note that you can backup your Sky hard drive if you like, but the only way to watch the stuff is with the drive inside a Sky box.

I know that.

I make backups so that, in the event of the disk in (or in my case just outside) the Sky+ box fails or gets corrupted, I can replace it with another disk and only lose the recordings made since my last backup.

And you are not fully correct. Extract+ allows non encrypted programmes to be ripped from the Sky disk and watched on a PC, media player or any device that can play mpg files. Quite a few channels on Sky are not encrypted.

Avoriaz

marleyboy wrote: »

I use one of these...........


http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=HD+home+dvd+creator&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=8176197494206538093&sa=X&ei=3ixWT57wJ8PA0QWBv6ndCQ&ved=0CHYQ8wIwBA
It works fine for converting the source to a file (then onto DVD), Albeit I have HD, I am not 100% sure if it converts to HD or not, although it does claim to but have never tried it with HD.

Thanks Marleyboy. I’ll check that out, although as it requires Component Video it is probably a non starter.

Perhaps a HDMI to Component converter might work.

I will investigate and see if it does the job. :beer:

Avoriaz

I didn’t intend for this thread to be about the legality of making or downloading copyright material.

However, as some comments have been made, here is my take on that from a personal perspective.

I love music and I have a large collection of legally purchased commercially produced music CDs, DVDs and BluRays. My collection exceeds 3,000 disks in total so I have made a significant contribution to the livelihood of musicians, record company employees etc over the years.

I don’t copy CDs I don’t own, not for any altruistic reason but because I prefer the sound quality from an original CD to an mp3 and I also like to own the CD with art work and sleeve liner notes etc.

In recent years I have downloaded several hundred video files, almost all of one off performances of musicians appearances on UK TV shows such as Jules Holland or the Brits, or US shows such as Ellen, Leno etc that are not always broadcast in the UK.

I’m not depriving anyone of royalties by doing that, as these are usually performances that will never be commercially released. Musicians appear on those shows in order to promote their work and are probably keen to get as wide an audience as possible.

Musicians etc are not being deprived of a living because of my actions. Quite the opposite in fact.

As a result of downloading videos I have discovered and bought the CDs and DVDs of musicians that I might never have heard of had I not downloaded those videos.

Some people think that the internet and downloading is killing the music industry.

Maybe it is and maybe it isn’t.

In my case it has significantly increased my expenditure on CDs and DVDs and I don’t feel in the slightest guilty about downloading or making videos for my own personal use.

Maybe the FBI will knock on my door one day but I doubt that.

InsideInsurance

If you want to keep it in HD then you will need a HDMI to Component conversion box (unless you have one of the older Sky HD boxes that came with component) and then a HD video card or box, I know Hauppauge & Elgato do one but sure there are others.

almillar

Avoriaz - nope, not confusing it with iPlayer, it's something to do with copywrite law, and these personal copies, that you ARE allowed, must be deleted before 2 weeks, this goes back to VHS days. I can't quote anything, and as I say I'm not sure, and I've got plenty of stuff on my PVR more than 2 weeks old and I'm not expecting a knock on the door! I'm pretty much aligned with your views on downloading music and video, as long as you pay your TV licence!
Yep you're up to speed with backing up and encryption, but if all you wanted to watch was unencrypted content, you could just cancel your Sky sub!
Anyway, HDMI is designed to NOT do exactly what you're trying to do - copy in HD.