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Solar Panels --- a bit of a Gimmick
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grahamc2003 wrote: »Lol - this thread is quite funny isn't it? There's a massive distinction between anti-PV and anti-FIT, yet I'm afraid to many it's simply the same thing.
Reminds me a little of when someone asked who from history they would like to have a chat over lunch with, and someone answered Hitler, and from then on they were viewed as anti semitic and Pro-death camps!
Well you finally got something right, and let’s face it, it had to happen eventually.
“I have no idea what you are arguing about, nor what your stance is.”
It would appear from his statement that Cardew is anti FITs but pro PV? Difficult assumption that, but maybe I’m getting closer to the answer. Though quite how you can support a technology, but not wish it to be supported in its infancy I’m not at all clear on. Perhaps, it’s just the level of FITs, and the fact that it wasn’t amended fast enough, but that would mean he was focusing on short term issues today, and was incapable of seeing the bigger picture tomorrow? Odd, very odd!
Your statement is trickier, so do I take it you are anti PV but pro FITs? That seems like the only answer based on your recent postings, but contradicts your older postings, particularly your moralist criticisms of FITs. It would also mean that you are now happy to put overpriced, underperforming, and environmentally harmful (your arguments not mine) equipment on your roof, just to get FITs, or to possibly show your support for FITs? Add to that the fact that you don’t even think the Government will honour FITs for 25 years? Even odder!
Perhaps for the benefit of those of us sitting in the cheap seats, you would care to elaborate on which side of the fence you are now sitting?
I’m sorry I don’t get it, but as you keep telling me, each time I correct your errors, ‘i r sputid’.
Mart.
PS I believe there is a general forum law, that in any discussion or argument, one party will eventually get so desperate that they mention Hitler. I find that odd too!Mart. Cardiff. 8.72 kWp PV systems (2.12 SSW 4.6 ESE & 2.0 WNW). 20kWh battery storage. Two A2A units for cleaner heating. Two BEV's for cleaner driving.
For general PV advice please see the PV FAQ thread on the Green & Ethical Board.0 -
what on Earth has that got to do with someone who owns their own home paying for their own Solar panels?
Prove the majority of R-A-R has gone to people who do own their own home....
anyone who owns their own home and signed up to R-A-R deserves your logic......
Er, that'll be me then!
I got my RaR panels because:-
- I am keen on finding a way to reduce my net carbon emissions
- it was free (!)
- I expect to be in the house for the next 30+ years
- I personally find them aesthetically pleasing (on our house)
- I didn't have access to the funds (either loaned or own assets) to pump into buying my own
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Er, that'll be me then!
I got my RaR panels because:-
- I am keen on finding a way to reduce my net carbon emissions
- it was free (!)
- I expect to be in the house for the next 30+ years
- I personally find them aesthetically pleasing (on our house)
- I didn't have access to the funds (either loaned or own assets) to pump into buying my own
Matt
I was pointing out that to someone who doesnt own their home, whether solar panels fitted affect the value of the home is irrelevant.0 -
Hiwhat on Earth has that got to do with someone who owns their own home paying for their own Solar panels?
Prove the majority of R-A-R has gone to people who do own their own home....
anyone who owns their own home and signed up to R-A-R deserves your logic......
For once we seem to have some form of agreement. If you actually follow the posting trail backwards you'll see that the post referenced one which was entitles "Who says they could devalue your house?" - you will obviously notice the inclusion of 'could', therefore I provided an example where panels in certain circumstances 'could', and are in my opinion currently very likely to, devalue a property if placed on the market in the current ecomonic climate. Remember, at the moment for property it's generally considered to be a buyer's market.
Regarding proof - why ?, and for what purpose ? .... obviously the R-A-R scheme operators have been selling to the occupier-owned housing sector, so what does the burden of proof provide ? ... the question could just as easily be turned around to prove that it doesn't - but if it doesn't then the issue on resale value doesn't exist ......
Regarding ... "anyone who owns their own home and signed up to R-A-R deserves your logic" .... that seems to be very patronising towards the very sector which you originally seemed to be supporting therefore I can't see your point, unless it's simply to debate in an abrasive manner.
Thanking you for your logically constructed and non-confrontational reply in advance
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle
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Hi
For one we seem to have some form of agreement. If you actually follow the posting trail backwards you'll see that the post referenced one which was entitles "Who says they could devalue your house?" - you will obviously notice the inclusion of 'could', therefore I provided an example where panels in certain circumstances 'could', and are in my opinion currently very likely to, devalue a property if placed on the market in the current ecomonic climate. Remember, at the moment for property it's generally considered to be a buyer's market.
Regarding proof - why ?, and for what purpose ? .... obviously the R-A-R scheme operators have been selling to the occupier-owned housing sector, so what does the burden of proof provide ? ... the question could just as easily be turned around to prove that it doesn't - but if it doesn't then the issue on resale value doesn't exist ......
Regarding ... "anyone who owns their own home and signed up to R-A-R deserves your logic" .... that seems to be very patronising towards the very sector which you originally seemed to be supporting therefore I can't see your point, unless it's simply to debate in an abrasive manner.
Thanking you for your logically constructed and non-confrontational reply in advance
Z
I'm glad you agree with my post, that was pointing out your post was making an irrelevant point.0 -
Hi MattEr, that'll be me then!
I got my RaR panels because:-
- I am keen on finding a way to reduce my net carbon emissions
- it was free (!)
- I expect to be in the house for the next 30+ years
- I personally find them aesthetically pleasing (on our house)
- I didn't have access to the funds (either loaned or own assets) to pump into buying my own
Matt
Considering the above the decision, as discussed before, is perfectly sound, the main point in terms of the current discussion being your intent to remain in the property for a considerable period therefore there is little/no possibility of the R-A-R panels having any effect on the property value at sale.
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle0 -
HiI'm glad you agree with my post, that was pointing out your post was making an irrelevant point.
I see that you were unable to provide a "logically constructed and non-confrontational reply" !
The partial agreement was with the point ... "what on Earth has that got to do with someone who owns their own home paying for their own Solar panels?" ... I agree, it didn't and I provided logical explanation why it was posted and why it didn't. The original post and the supplimentary explanation explain why the point was not irrelevant, therefore again, I just can't follow your logic (if there is any) and I simply wonder, after reviewing the actual posts in context, whether anyone else does ether ....
Z"We are what we repeatedly do, excellence then is not an act, but a habit. " ...... Aristotle0 -
Our major local HA is shoving these on all sorts of homes with the right aspect, along with Air source heat pumps for new heating installations.Truth always poses doubts & questions. Only lies are 100% believable, because they don't need to justify reality. - Carlos Ruiz Zafon, The Labyrinth of the Spirits0
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solar panels per se are a useful part of the renewables `system`
so is wind , hydro and nuclear - given that it could be a becalmed overcast day , sun and wind wouldn`t be much good so we do need other sources
build the severn barrage allready kthx :P
as for panels - i am of the opinion that (like cardew) sticking them on houses is a waste of time - the most effective method is for fields of the stuff down in the south west (or near me since apparantly its rather sunny here) - on stilts a meter or so above the ground (similar to les mees) , failing that on brownfield sites. - 10 panels on a roof with 1 invertor isnt very good efficiency0 -
Equaliser123 wrote: »Quick question - do you understand the Feed in Tarrif?
2010 seems to have completely missed that. Payback in 6 years is a pretty good deal for most people.
Despite the comments over the poor weather in the UK it isn't actually as bad as you might expect. Even over the winter we've been generating about 20% and during the summer it could be nearer 75% of our requirements albeit not all used during the day.
£10k might buy electricity for 30 years but in that time you'll also have earnt somewhere around £30-£50k from FITs as well.Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.0
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