Do csa ask for mothers income/assets??

clearingout

jamespir wrote: »

so dad doesnt do that on the days he has them then

on the days you have the children do you:
- ensure the child eats a reasonable breakfast;
- make sure that their uniform is washed and ironed, shoes polished;
- make sure their hair is cut, nails are kept short;
- make sure that the child takes what it needs to school: PE kit, homework, money for a charity event (and provide said money), pencil case, school planner...;
- drop off at school at the correct time or make provision and pay for before-school club (if primary age)/ensure that the child leaves home on time to get to school on time (secondary age);
- provide them with lunch money/packed lunch, travel money (if applicable);
- make yourself available to the school at a moment's notice should your child bang it's head, fall off something, vomit, punch another child;
- pick up from school at the appropriate time (if primary aged) or ensure that after school care is available and paid for;
- take your child to and pay for any after school activities such as swimming, football, Brownies/Cubs, dancing;
- ensure that they eat a hot meal in the evening;
- ensure that homework is completed to a good standard and that all that is required for the next day is available (books, money, PE kit);
- keep an eye on school shoes and clothing to make sure it is in a decent state of repair and is replaced immediately if not;
- provide an older child with credit for their mobile phone or the means by which they can 'earn' credit;
- facilitate 'play dates' and 'tea' for younger children and their friends;
- take children to parties and ensure that an appropriate present is purchased, wrapped and card written as well as hang about at said party (depends on age) and make small talk with classmate's parents;
....I could go on.

shegirl

clearingout wrote: »

on the days you have the children do you:
- ensure the child eats a reasonable breakfast;
- make sure that their uniform is washed and ironed, shoes polished;
- make sure their hair is cut, nails are kept short;
- make sure that the child takes what it needs to school: PE kit, homework, money for a charity event (and provide said money), pencil case, school planner...;
- drop off at school at the correct time or make provision and pay for before-school club (if primary age)/ensure that the child leaves home on time to get to school on time (secondary age);
- provide them with lunch money/packed lunch, travel money (if applicable);
- make yourself available to the school at a moment's notice should your child bang it's head, fall off something, vomit, punch another child;
- pick up from school at the appropriate time (if primary aged) or ensure that after school care is available and paid for;
- take your child to and pay for any after school activities such as swimming, football, Brownies/Cubs, dancing;
- ensure that they eat a hot meal in the evening;
- ensure that homework is completed to a good standard and that all that is required for the next day is available (books, money, PE kit);
- keep an eye on school shoes and clothing to make sure it is in a decent state of repair and is replaced immediately if not;
- provide an older child with credit for their mobile phone or the means by which they can 'earn' credit;
- facilitate 'play dates' and 'tea' for younger children and their friends;
- take children to parties and ensure that an appropriate present is purchased, wrapped and card written as well as hang about at said party (depends on age) and make small talk with classmate's parents;
....I could go on.

The list is endless isn't it!

gettingthere1975

I cannot quite believe some of the ridiculous replies in this thread.

If a man is "man enough" to make a baby then he should also be "man enough" to support his child emotionally, physically and financially.

I am in a very similar position to the thread posters partners ex, I am due to inherit some money which although not lots will enable me to buy a house outright, i will no longer need to struggle to pay rent etc but i will still have to put food in my childrens mouths, cloth, buy uniforms, pay for after school activities. To suggest that he should not pay is laughable.:mad:

When you choose to make a baby you are obliged to support that child in every which way, until he/she is able to support themselves!

My children have gone for years without some of the nicer things they would have liked because of a NRP not paying maintenance so why should my children not get the maintenance that they are entitled to just because i have inherited money, money that has changed our lives so that i can finally be stress free and now spoil them a bit.:mad:

13Kent

My husband would love to have the opportunity to do those things for his children but sadly due to his ex having a series of affairs and deciding she no longer wanted him in her life and therefore their children's life he can't do that so has to make the best of the weekends or days that she decides he can see them.

- And I wish for the children's sake that our PWC did all those things listed above, but sadly she doesn't.

13Kent

And I do think it's unfair that the NRP 's income is taken into consideration together with that of the NRPP, but our PWC is deemed to have nil income despite working as she also gets WTC which the CSA deem to be a benefit therefore she is on benefits, and thefore has nil income. Her husband also works, but the CSA do not need to know his income. Their Child benefit and child tax credits are not considered to be part of their income. Our child benefit and tax credits are included as part of our income before the CSA assessment is made. How is that fair? My husband has always financially supported his children, but would like to pay a fair amount. On CSA 2 we would pay half what we pay on CSA1 - how is that fair? The PWC told the CSA that my husband was paying no maintenance, he was, but it was not clearly marked as maintenance payments for x children - the CSA took her word over his, and he had to pay thousands in arrears payments for money he had already give her - how is that fair? My husband told the CSA he was paying household bills such as tv licence, house insurance etc and even showed the CSA bank statements to prove this. The PWC denied he was paying these and the CSA took her word for it - how is that fair? Certainly in our case the CSA is very much in favour of the PWC, and although I firmly believe that a father should financially support his children so should the mother and the father should be expected to pay a fair amount.

shegirl

13Kent wrote: »

And I do think it's unfair that the NRP 's income is taken into consideration together with that of the NRPP, but our PWC is deemed to have nil income despite working as she also gets WTC which the CSA deem to be a benefit therefore she is on benefits, and thefore has nil income. Her husband also works, but the CSA do not need to know his income. Their Child benefit and child tax credits are not considered to be part of their income. Our child benefit and tax credits are included as part of our income before the CSA assessment is made. How is that fair? My husband has always financially supported his children, but would like to pay a fair amount. On CSA 2 we would pay half what we pay on CSA1 - how is that fair? The PWC told the CSA that my husband was paying no maintenance, he was, but it was not clearly marked as maintenance payments for x children - the CSA took her word over his, and he had to pay thousands in arrears payments for money he had already give her - how is that fair? My husband told the CSA he was paying household bills such as tv licence, house insurance etc and even showed the CSA bank statements to prove this. The PWC denied he was paying these and the CSA took her word for it - how is that fair? Certainly in our case the CSA is very much in favour of the PWC, and although I firmly believe that a father should financially support his children so should the mother and the father should be expected to pay a fair amount.

The resident parent does financially support the kids whether on benefits or not...unless the kids are starving with no clothes,no roof over thwir head,no bed to sleep in etc.They also spend every single day raising those kids.

I don't think it's unfair that the fact the nrps partner has an income is taken into consideration.It doesn't mean their money is taken but it means there is somebody else contributing to the household so not all the nrps money is going on that,meaning he has spare income.For many,if the old system didn't work like that,because they take into account rent or mortgage the nrp has to pay for themselves,council tax,pensions and living amount per week,then there would be kids getting naff all and that wouldn't be right,would it.

shell_542

clearingout wrote: »

on the days you have the children do you:
- ensure the child eats a reasonable breakfast;
- make sure that their uniform is washed and ironed, shoes polished;
- make sure their hair is cut, nails are kept short;
- make sure that the child takes what it needs to school: PE kit, homework, money for a charity event (and provide said money), pencil case, school planner...;
- drop off at school at the correct time or make provision and pay for before-school club (if primary age)/ensure that the child leaves home on time to get to school on time (secondary age);
- provide them with lunch money/packed lunch, travel money (if applicable);
- make yourself available to the school at a moment's notice should your child bang it's head, fall off something, vomit, punch another child;
- pick up from school at the appropriate time (if primary aged) or ensure that after school care is available and paid for;
- take your child to and pay for any after school activities such as swimming, football, Brownies/Cubs, dancing;
- ensure that they eat a hot meal in the evening;
- ensure that homework is completed to a good standard and that all that is required for the next day is available (books, money, PE kit);
- keep an eye on school shoes and clothing to make sure it is in a decent state of repair and is replaced immediately if not;
- provide an older child with credit for their mobile phone or the means by which they can 'earn' credit;
- facilitate 'play dates' and 'tea' for younger children and their friends;
- take children to parties and ensure that an appropriate present is purchased, wrapped and card written as well as hang about at said party (depends on age) and make small talk with classmate's parents;
....I could go on.

Plenty of NRPs do this. People need to remember, just because their ex's are unreliable and irresponsible, doesn't mean all are.

shell_542

shoe*diva79 wrote: »

What a lot of people forget is CM isnt just about clothes on the kids back and food in their bellys.... its about a roof over their heads, water, gas/electric, school trips (my daughter has brought home 3 trip letters in the past months totalling just under £150!!!!) birthday parties, after school clubs/activities.

Maybe I should give my 13 year old daughter the CM I receive each week from her father (via the CSA as he refuses to support any other way) and ask her to give me receipts for everything she buys - after I have charged her rent/board!!!!

An NRP who has their child overnight also has to provide a roof over their children's heads, water for them, gas/electric while they are there. Some NRPs contribute or solely pay for school trips, after school clubs.

And some NRPs are obstructed from doing all of the above. Life isn't all roses on either sides.

13Kent

I don't think it's unfair that the fact the nrps partner has an income is taken into consideration.It doesn't mean their money is taken but it means there is somebody else contributing to the household so not all the nrps money is going on that,meaning he has spare income.

But surely the same applies to the PWC's partner who is also "somebody else contributing to the household" especially when the PWC and her husband have children between them living in the same household. So why should they be deemed as havin nil income?

Why should my child benefit be counted as income when hers is not? Why does she have "nil" income when both her and her husband work?
How can they afford holidays to Florida, and all the latest gadgets such as flat screen tv's when the CSA say that she has 'nil' income?

If we were on CSA2 and paying the amount decreed then surely that amount is a fair amount as calculated by the CSA based on my husbands income and the number of days we have his children and the number of children we have. So if that amount is enough to feed and clothe the children in those circumstances then why do we have to pay nearly £600 a month for 2 children when we are on CSA 1 insteat of less than £300 as calcuated by the CSA themselves on their CSA2 system?

13Kent

shell_542 wrote: »

An NRP who has their child overnight also has to provide a roof over their children's heads,

And because of that can't live in a one bed flat, they need a house that is suitable to accommodate their children, they have to run a reliable car with enough seats to accommodate their children, especially so in our case as the Pwc has never in 11 years made any attempt to get the children to us or even meet us half way - even when it has been a 4 hour round trip for us on a Friday and again on a Sunday to maintain contact. My husband did his best to keep his family together to no avail, and both him and his children have lost out because of the PWC.