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Vat changes to some post services 2nd April
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Right so they can't close DSA off but it's expensive for what they get paid so why isn't raising the price (on the assumption they'd be allowed to if they become unregulated) the answer? As I say what is the solution?In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0
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Right so they can't close DSA off but it's expensive for what they get paid so why isn't raising the price (on the assumption they'd be allowed to if they become unregulated) the answer? As I say what is the solution?
the solution isnt easy
this was all set up 10 years ago with the opening of the market(long before we had to and long before RM had time to even be ready)
DSA was to balance RM having a ready made infrastructure
so if you remove DSA,how do you blanace that for the other companies?
how do you see them making a profit with deliveries?0 -
For anyone like me who has a PPI business account and can't now claim for lost items this may be of interest http://www.royalmailgroup.com/sites/default/files/Single%20Piece%20on%20Account.pdfVAT isn't the problem, the large price increase is along with cutting compo is.
As far as I can see it should come into effect in April and the rates seem the same except there's no VAT and you can claim for losses? I don't normally claim for the odd lost packet but I think I've now got a lost bag situation with several buyers saying items haven't arrived and I now can't claim for any of them!0 -
That document really clears it up,thanks. :T
Why couldn't the RM put that in their pdf?
It seems that unless you are vat registered and your Packetpost average weight is always over 750g and you sell in such volume that you have a collection service then Packetpost is not worth it.
The new account looks interesting though.You can still use your PPI labels,bag the packets and drop off at the PO and be able to claim compo' should you need to.
Just have to wait now and see how much the price increase will be on this new account. :mad:
:beer:Lose is to not win......Loose is not tight......get it right!0 -
For anyone like me who has a PPI business account and can't now claim for lost items this may be of interest http://www.royalmailgroup.com/sites/default/files/Single%20Piece%20on%20Account.pdf
As far as I can see it should come into effect in April and the rates seem the same except there's no VAT and you can claim for losses? I don't normally claim for the odd lost packet but I think I've now got a lost bag situation with several buyers saying items haven't arrived and I now can't claim for any of them!
If approved by the regulator the prices will start at those shown but will then increase at the same rate as all the other increases. I guess it will be below the PO counter rate but above the net packetpost rate so if you are VAT registered it will cost more plus it's limited to under 5000 items a year.
how do you see them making a profit with deliveries?
Perhaps the other companies should have to make contributions towards maintaining the infrastructure they want access to?
Why couldn't the RM put that in their pdf?
They did.In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
If approved by the regulator the prices will start at those shown but will then increase at the same rate as all the other increases. I guess it will be below the PO counter rate but above the net packetpost rate so if you are VAT registered it will cost more plus it's limited to under 5000 items a year.
how do you see them making a profit with deliveries?
Perhaps the other companies should have to make contributions towards maintaining the infrastructure they want access to?
Why couldn't the RM put that in their pdf?
They did.
RM supply the DSA compaines with trays,york trollies etc
DSA companies have no interest in paying in(and I don't actually blame them for capatalising on the system created for them)
That tune may change when the RM network is carved up0 -
DSA companies have no interest in paying in
Of course they don't! If RM had the permission to charge for things like the trays and trolleys as well as contributions towards maintaining things suchs as the postman's bikes, trolleys, uniforms, the cost of running the buildings, vans, etc, etc then they'd be on more of a level footing.
That tune may change when the RM network is carved up
How do you mean carved up?In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
DSA companies have no interest in paying in
Of course they don't! If RM had the permission to charge for things like the trays and trolleys as well as contributions towards maintaining things suchs as the postman's bikes, trolleys, uniforms, the cost of running the buildings, vans, etc, etc then they'd be on more of a level footing.
That tune may change when the RM network is carved up
How do you mean carved up?
I mean the network will be carved up
you had the GPO
then you have RM,BT,Open reach etc
now you will have mail logistics,Post offces,RM letters,RM mail centres
this will be carved up and privitised in some !!!!!!!ised deal
as for DSA paying in. the whole point of DSA is because the playing field isnt level
how could a company compete with RM without mail centres,delivery offices etc?
whats the point of having DSA if they are then paying into the running of RM as well?0 -
whats the point of having DSA if they are then paying into the running of RM as well?
Well they'd have to pay for all that stuff if they wanted to do it by themselves. If for say letters, Royal Mail do these at a loss and there's no point charging at cost as it will be more than the companies mailing stuff would pay with RM direct then it's only fair that they contribute to the services they have access to at such a reduced price. What other business woud offer a service at a loss and ask for nothing else in return. It's not RM's fault UKMail can't implement their own network.In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces0 -
whats the point of having DSA if they are then paying into the running of RM as well?
Well they'd have to pay for all that stuff if they wanted to do it by themselves. If for say letters, Royal Mail do these at a loss and there's no point charging at cost as it will be more than the companies mailing stuff would pay with RM direct then it's only fair that they contribute to the services they have access to at such a reduced price. What other business woud offer a service at a loss and ask for nothing else in return. It's not RM's fault UKMail can't implement their own network.
Fair? oh now you are just being silly
this happened 10 years ago
DSA was brought in
RM werent ready,the original remit of DSA was to allow competitors to come in and get established
open up the market
create competition and choice
competitors were to provide an equivelent service and not cherry pick the profitable parts
however thats exactly what happened
how much profit is in delivering a letter to Mrs cTavish who lives 20 miles from her neighbour?
and theres the issue. mail delivery simply isnt profitable in its present forim
privitisation is a done deal
stripping down RM and the service makes it easy.
how many times have people said they cant wait for RM to be privitised to 'improve' the service
the reality is they have no idea what goes on0
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