Why Are Private landlords buying into this?

Coupon-mad

But that's the thing - I didn't need you there, or any PPC. And some local Supermarkets do use PPCs (that's how I got my fake ticket).

As a Mum with young children, and as a daughter with my disabled Mum with me, I did not expect the flippin' P&C bays or disabled bays to be free every time! Nor did I judge others parking in disabled bays without a Blue Badge because I often did so when collecting my Mum and her wheelchair. And because I used to work in Disability Advice and I already realised that on private land the right for genuine disabled service-users to park there is unconnected with having a Blue Badge.

'Marshall' made me ROTFL!! Wyatt Earp springs to mind!

TrickyWicky

Coupon-mad wrote: »

The PPC industry is very rich and has some top people with influence. When one of the Queen's cars was clamped last year in Southampton (and the guy got a criminal record for it!)

Don't suppose you've got a link to that? - Sounds like an interesting read!

Coupon-mad wrote: »

There's a definite element of old-boy networking going on with some of those at the helm of the BPA, with friends in high places.

FYI it isn't just PPCs that have dealings with the BPA, I met the chairman of the BPA a few years ago and he even knew my ex council bosses and their bosses and had just seen one of them in the week before. It seems that the councils are in regular contact with the BPA too.

TrickyWicky

Coupon-mad wrote: »

But that's the thing - I didn't need you there, or any PPC. And some local Supermarkets do use PPCs (that's how I got my fake ticket).

As a Mum with young children, and as a daughter with my disabled Mum with me, I did not expect the flippin' P&C bays or disabled bays to be free every time!

You say that but until you have someone there actively patrolling these bays you just think that they're all being used legitimately and if there isn't a space "Oh well!". I went into a supermarket car park and found all the bays in use. Within the hour they'd been wittled down to 2/3 being empty and available for those who genuinely needed them such as yourself. I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet but I did get a lot of positive feedback from customers and the store staff. There were a lot of unhappy micky takers who had to walk a few extra metres :rotfl:

FYI, I'd like to make it known that I was not issuing PPC PCNs either. I was only allowed to ask people to move and that was it.

Coupon-mad

Yep, the thing is the BPA has Council parking connections as well. Which completely muddies the waters and makes it easy for Patrick Troy to appear legit.

Here's the links about the queen's car and the scum clamper:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391594/Two-police-cars-clamped-surveillance-officers-sat-INSIDE-clamper-arrested-obstruction.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15496114

And this is the guy the Queen as having tea with on his yacht:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/profile-a-multistorey-monopolist-sir-don-gosling-the-chief-of-national-car-parks-is-not-keen-on-nosy-parkers-as-william-kay-discovers-1412969.html

Nice bunch of people, PPC owners. :mad:

Coupon-mad

TrickyWicky wrote: »

You say that but until you have someone there actively patrolling these bays you just think that they're all being used legitimately and if there isn't a space "Oh well!". I went into a supermarket car park and found all the bays in use. Within the hour they'd been wittled down to 2/3 being empty and available for those who genuinely needed them such as yourself. I'm not trying to blow my own trumpet but I did get a lot of positive feedback from customers and the store staff. There were a lot of unhappy micky takers who had to walk a few extra metres :rotfl:

FYI, I'd like to make it known that I was not issuing PPC PCNs either. I was only allowed to ask people to move and that was it.

And if that worked - which I am sure it would - then why do Supermarkets not just pay someone to do that job?

Rhetorical question of course. Money is the answer.

peter_the_piper

TrickyWicky wrote: »

FYI, I'd like to make it known that I was not issuing PPC PCNs either. I was only allowed to ask people to move and that was it.

I think you have just proved that ppc's (as current) are not necessary and are not there to improve parking but to make money. You system seems to have worked and should have been a model for others.

TrickyWicky

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Nice bunch of people, PPC owners.

Based on my experiences, No. No they're not. They're power hungry morons either from the army, police, security industry or similar determined to wage war against the motorist desperately trying to cling on to the little power they have left that they can gain easily, quickly and use to maximum effect to make them look powerful.

Like I said, the parking industry needs to change and that includes the public parking sector just as much as the PPC sector.

Coupon-mad

I was being sarcastic when I said they were a nice bunch! :rotfl:

Have a read of that link about Sir Donald Gosling - particularly the investigation about industrial espionage and allegedly trying to defraud EuroParks (last couple of paragraphs).

taffy056

The use being parking for customers to go in, do their shopping and get out. For some reason many folks still think these car parks are some sort of honourary parking facility that anyone can use.

No its not, its to go there and use the facilities on site, whether that is shopping, browsing, going to the cinema, going for something to eat, shopping can be very much a side issue!

Agreed, when you have that many stores on site its stupid to have such a daft limit. However we're talking about supermarket car parks the last I was aware of it so changing it to a car park that caters for 15-20 retailers is trying to sway the arguement by influence.

It does depend on the use of the car park, a local one to me in Swansea must allow people to park there to use other facilities as well, its part of the consent of the original car park

You say that but have you ever worked in the parking industry to know just how many motorists do abuse the parking facilities? - I've known loads of it go on. It's only when you're in the trade that you see the regular mick takers.

No i never have worked in that industry, and its funny how the abuse has only happened since a bunch of chancers happened on it

As mentioned above its not about capacity in every case, it's about keeping a turnover of vehicles and detering dumped cars which later become a problem.

I am sorry but there was never abuse previously, so can you provide hard evidence that there is some now, the figures from a certain PPC about abuse of disabled bays is laughable, all they done was looked at people parking there without a badge, you can be disabled without a badge.

They don't have to and if the freedoms bill gains royal assent its the beginning of the end of your arguement. It will be a contract law that the driver is legally bound to and if they fail to agree then new bill will try to assume the RK has become responsible for it. If you've agreed to pay them £X for breaching their terms..

The RK liability is a joke, tell me how can an owner of a vehicle be responsible? so if a car is hired and the driver refuses to pay, the liability will go to the likes of avis that is good ! And royal consent is red a herring, these companies will still have to the person to the small claims, 60%-70% of invoices ignored, how will the mall claims handle 1m of these a year? The whole system will collapse!

They may seem petty to you but to the landlords their retail business may depend on the convenience they can offer their customers. I worked for a large retailer marshalling a while back and the parents and disabled drivers were practically running to the customer service desk thanking them for keeping their parking bays clear by using me. It's only when its YOU that is affected, you realise how much of an impact it has. It tends to be the "I'll park whereever I want" types that actually encourage PPC activity. If everyone played fairly and stopped trying to take the mick / wind up the landowner, PPCs might well get flushed down the pan but because people can't be bothered to put in a bit of effort they're keeping the PPCs in business.

And simply I don't believe you , customers don't go to customer services to commend people, they go there to complain ! And I park wherever I like because I don't have a choice, I drive a vehicle that is almost 6 meters long, tell me how do I fit into a bay? Also tell me how can APNR system have me there for 9 hours, and even when provided with proof the PPC tried to pursue

They are a bunch of scamming thieves, given licence to harass people, these people are the clients of the retailers, they con people out of money, they leech off society, they lie, they cheat, they use fake companies to harass people. I don't have time for scum!

TrickyWicky

Coupon-mad wrote: »

And if that worked - which I am sure it would - then why do Supermarkets not just pay someone to do that job?

Rhetorical question of course. Money is the answer.

peter_the_piper wrote: »

I think you have just proved that ppc's (as current) are not necessary and are not there to improve parking but to make money. You system seems to have worked and should have been a model for others.

It's a double sided issue really. You'll always get the odd motorist who refuses to move their car out of the way (even though they're holding up 8 cars behind them) because their partner is at the cashpoint or they're waiting "a minute" for someone to come out etc. The reality is they could go around the block and come back OR park in a distant bay and pull up when they see the person they're looking for. I've pointed this out to the vast majority of mick takers and most can be swayed into this way of thinking but you'll always get the odd few determined to prove that they're untouchable, they're "the man" etc. One bloke I had dealings with was such an arrogant bloke the store security caught him as he was entering the store and asked him to move his car. He refused, they stood in his way and refused him entry to the store. He shouted, they stood, he shouted more, they stood, and they refused him entry until he had complied with my request for him to move. He was a known regular too and the next day the same thing happened. Day 3 saw him parking nicely and he came up to me and gave me a very sincere apology.

I don't agree with PPC PCNs but sometimes I think there are some drivers who probably deserve a PCN - council or PPC just because they refuse to play nice when approached with the people-person approach instead of a ticket in the post.

I still remember one other bloke.. just as hard work as the one mentioned above. Big 4L sports car, built like a brick, teh real menacing type. Took me 4 days to get him to play nice but we got there.. I had to point out what a nice car he had, had shi**y it would be if someone knocked his mirror off etc, etc, etc.. he was seriously hard work but we got there.