CCTV footage of driver. Does this make ticket enforceable?

cornkeg

Hi,

After some advice if possible please.
Having received a letter from a private parking enforcement company, reading all the advice on this forum and others, suspicions re the viability of them enforcing the charge have been confirmed. The only difference in this case is that the driver will have been seen on the cctv exiting the vehicle, while the passenger then walked round and became the driver. The driver then walked into the airport, and later got on a flight. Would this make the driver identifiable? Thus negating the "you can't make me tell you who the driver was" loophole?

HO87

Ah. We are perhaps then talking about APCOA at Luton? The CCTV footage does not magically turn an unenforceable invoice into an enforceable one. Besides, they still have absolutely no idea what the name of either of the drivers were.

The advice remains the same. Ignore - if indeed what you have is a demand for payment for an arbitrary breach of made-up rules from a private company. If, however, it is a ticket issued (by means of CCTV viewing) by a council or TfL then that is a different matter.

cornkeg

Aye, you hit the nail o the head with that one. The joyous attention on APCOA from Luton. Was just checking to make certain that it doesn't change anything.
Many thanks for your swift and relieving response

HO87

No problems. Just keep spreading the word about what these private companies do and what authority (precisely zilch) they have.

pogofish

cornkeg wrote: »

reading all the advice on this forum and others,

The only difference in this case is that the driver will have been seen on the cctv exiting the vehicle,

So, if you read all the advice, why on earth are you asking about a "difference"?

There must be hundreds of threads here involving CCTV/parking and the situation is exactly the same in the private context - quite meaningless, so IGNORE!

cornkeg

pogofish wrote: »

So, if you read all the advice, why on earth are you asking about a "difference"?

There must be hundreds of threads here involving CCTV/parking and the situation is exactly the same in the private context - quite meaningless, so IGNORE!

The "difference" that I was referring to would be the following:
In most pick up/drop off scenarios the passenger would get out the car and the driver would not be seen, then drive of, thereby being an unknown quantity.
In this scenario the driver got out of the car and then proceeded to walk into the airport and board a plane. Actions that if followed by the security cameras which abound in airports could be linked, and a name placed upon the driver. Now alot of the advice I have read has centred around the principle that if they don't know the driver they can't make it stick. Obviously now I understand that the whole process is flawed and even if they do know the driver they can't enforce payments, but I just wished to check to make sure and avoid that niggling doubt when ignoring the letters which will surely follow.

Sirdan

cornkeg wrote: »

The "difference" that I was referring to would be the following:
In most pick up/drop off scenarios the passenger would get out the car and the driver would not be seen, then drive of, thereby being an unknown quantity.
In this scenario the driver got out of the car and then proceeded to walk into the airport and board a plane. Actions that if followed by the security cameras which abound in airports could be linked, and a name placed upon the driver. Now alot of the advice I have read has centred around the principle that if they don't know the driver they can't make it stick. Obviously now I understand that the whole process is flawed and even if they do know the driver they can't enforce payments, but I just wished to check to make sure and avoid that niggling doubt when ignoring the letters which will surely follow.

How exactly are they going to place a name on the driver ...oh yes I get it Airport Security will allow APCOA any footage they have ...and then APCOA will tap into their database containing a photo and full details of every person on the planet ...!!! :eek:

THINK this through the pictures (if they have them ..big if btw) does NOT tell them who the driver is .

Having said all that why bother to think it through at all because APCOA quite simply don't do court ..they make more than enough from those who fall for their scam.

If I can get 5 of these (4 on the same vehicle) with nothing but stupid,legally flawed letters from a fake "firm" of Solicitors then I'm pretty confident you can ignore them !!!

ashleypride

cornkeg wrote: »

Now alot of the advice I have read has centred around the principle that if they don't know the driver they can't make it stick. Obviously now I understand that the whole process is flawed and even if they do know the driver they can't enforce payments, but I just wished to check to make sure and avoid that niggling doubt when ignoring the letters which will surely follow.

You/your friend are only guilty of breaching their T&Cs (and lets assume here that the T&Cs actually apply to somebody driving to the airport, and are fair). As you breached the contract, APCOA may have a right for reimbursement.
The problem with that of course, is that APCOA haven't suffered any actual loss, and the 'fine' they are trying to scam you into paying, is a figure plucked out of their bottom.

APCOA don't do court, and APCOA will almost certainly never do court over airport drops off, as it would be suicidal.