MSE News: Legal battle launched over solar subsidy cuts

Pennylane

I'm with Sally on this. What is it about solar panels that makes people so bothered if other people get them? I wonder if it's because they feel they've "missed the boat" or whether they wish they'd had the confidence to go ahead and get some but now don't like reading that others have them and might be getting a little bit of benefit from them.

I'm one of the R-a-R customers and I've had people telling me (on here and off here) that I'm wasting my money, it'll all end in tears etc etc. I've not asked for anyones opinion mind you!;)

We're not rich either, we're comfortably off now but we worked hard all our lives and we can spend our money as we choose. We looked into solar panels a few years ago but they were very expensive indeed and when we saw the R-a-R schemes over a year ago we thought this might be for us. It's cost us £500 that's all but people even moan about that! It's my flipping £500 though!!:D:D I had to explain to someone on here that we needed to do some jobs which involved scaffolding and so that was all included in the £500 so it's probably only cost us £300.

People smoke and drink thousands of pounds away every year, they buy new cars which depreciate thousands but they get sniffy about solar panels and tell you you're wasting you £500 (£300).

The price of solar panels has come down hugely and, I may decide to buy mine from my R-a-R firm eventually .... I'll see but so far I'm loving them and I believe solar power is the way forward.

Cardew

The_Green_Hornet wrote: »

I'm afraid to say that, what I can tell from being on here for just a few months, the sole aim of Graham2003 appears to be to spoil every thread when someone posts something he doesn't to agree with.

On a properly moderated forum he would have been thrown off by now. Best just to ignore him.

That really is nonsense.

For some four years Graham has contributed to technical threads with robust and well-reasoned arguments. Some posters have disagreed with his views and have been mature enough to present counter-arguments.

Instead this thread has descended to a level more appropriate on a schoolchildren’s Facebook ‘debate’(I use the term in its loosest possible connotation) on the class bully(s)!

P.S.
Martyn, I made a mistake when I said you earned £250,000 p.a. and lived in a company house. I obvious meant £250million p.a. - and I am an even poorer pensioner than I made out; I simply cannot believe you would take such a post literally!

P.P.S.
Nice to see MX4imillion back and contributing in her usual manner!

Cardew

Pennylane wrote: »

I'm with Sally on this. What is it about solar panels that makes people so bothered if other people get them? I wonder if it's because they feel they've "missed the boat" or whether they wish they'd had the confidence to go ahead and get some but now don't like reading that others have them and might be getting a little bit of benefit from them.

I'm one of the R-a-R customers and I've had people telling me (on here and off here) that I'm wasting my money, it'll all end in tears etc etc. I've not asked for anyones opinion mind you!;)

We're not rich either, we're comfortably off now but we worked hard all our lives and we can spend our money as we choose. We looked into solar panels a few years ago but they were very expensive indeed and when we saw the R-a-R schemes over a year ago we thought this might be for us. It's cost us £500 that's all but people even moan about that! It's my flipping £500 though!!:D:D I had to explain to someone on here that we needed to do some jobs which involved scaffolding and so that was all included in the £500 so it's probably only cost us £300.

People smoke and drink thousands of pounds away every year, they buy new cars which depreciate thousands but they get sniffy about solar panels and tell you you're wasting you £500 (£300).

The price of solar panels has come down hugely and, I may decide to buy mine from my R-a-R firm eventually .... I'll see but so far I'm loving them and I believe solar power is the way forward.

On an internet forum are people not allowed to express an opinion that to pay £500 for a Rent a Roof installation is unwise?

It is advice to other potential customers, so should that advice not be given for fear of offending you and others?


Does this statement mean that your R A R firm are going to reduce the agreed price to purchase your system?

" The price of solar panels has come down hugely and, I may decide to buy mine from my R-a-R firm eventually"

M4ximillion

grahamc2003 wrote: »

I leave the baying crowd to make what they will, perhaps some should reflect on the gang culture they are part of.

That's rich coming from you! I've been following solar threads for months. I used to post on them if you remember till I got driven off by and you, Cardew and the other anti-solar cronies as did many, many more of us. Your disdain of anyone posting anything 'pro' solar was relentless and if anyone disagreed with you they got bashed off.:mad:

M4ximillion

Cardew wrote: »

P.P.S.
Nice to see MX4imillion back and contributing in her usual manner!

By thanking people who dare to disagree with you????

rogerblack

Pennylane wrote: »

I'm with Sally on this. What is it about solar panels that makes people so bothered if other people get them? I wonder if it's because they feel they've "missed the boat" or whether they wish they'd had the confidence to go ahead and get some but now don't like reading that others have them and might be getting a little bit of benefit from them.

I don't care at all if you waste your money (people have varying opinions on the economics of paying for solar panels you don't get much benefit from).

I care deeply if you waste mine.

You (or in your specific case, the RaR company enabled by you) are being paid partially from my electricity bill.

It may only be 3 or 4 pounds on my bill, but this is a significant slice of a weeks disposable income.

Cardew

Blossom2528 wrote: »

I read those old posts. Graham slags mart of for weeks then gets upset if he has a go back. he spent all day yesterday lying that he never said anything then when hes shown he just blames Mart for it and pretends he never started it.
Now he slags all of us off coz if we don't agree with him we must be stupid greenies. When we stand up to the bully he calls us a gang.
Sally told him to stop ages ago when he pretended evrything was marts fault.
If he's such a genius why does he say 50% for the barrage and the site says 5% are they all stupid greens too.
If he wants the last word i'll give him 2 rude caveman. pick one.

Cardews just as bad he pretends mart is a rich RAR and when he gets upset says hes stupid to take it seriously. Whats Max and Penny done to him now. Bullies and cavemen.

And when Al asks graham to give his ideas he just has a go at him too.

When you have time I suggest you read your post again and reflect if it belongs on this type of thread.

noncom_2

rogerblack wrote: »

It may only be 3 or 4 pounds on my bill, but this is a significant slice of a weeks disposable income.

I'm happy to be corrected, but I was under the impression that the Solar Subsidy for FITs was 3 or 4 pounds a YEAR, not a week.

You may of course still regard this as significant, but arguably the problems of curbing CO2 and climate change are significant too and therefore justify the cost.

zeupater

albyota wrote: »

..... Too many times have I witnessed a poster with strong opinions be shot down in flames, never to return, people with real data and statistics, are simply told that they must be lying (talking boll**Ks) or have a connection to a company ....

Hi

I agree, however, the issue is that a very substantial proportion of those with strong opinions, data and statistics actually do have an agenda and often do attempt to promote their own businesses, either directly or not. Many times the data & statistics are very questionable, possibly misinformed, or, more likely, deliberate misinformation ... is this not lying in a different guise ?

Before attempting to understand anything in detail I tend to apply the first cut extreme logic test to any issue - for example - a position on education budgets (just beacause they're nothing to do with renewables), where should expenditure really be allocated, buildings or teachers ? - Extremes logic would dictate that buildings without teachers provides no eduction, whilst teachers without buildings is still a workable educational solution, hence the balance of an argument involving investment would be with personnel not infrastructure .... yes it gets harder from that point onwards, but at least you have a starting position to work/debate from, which in this example would be ..... 'so apologies to the building industry and the previous government, but you were wrong in your overall approach'.

There are so many positions which do not stand up to such a simple test that it's unbelieveable, then again, there are so many more which fail when scrutinised with more in-depth logical tests, data, statistics and alternatives ..... yes, data & statistics can be presented in a very selective way in order to manipulate support for a position, however, that is again where logic helps - why did 85% of 132 respondents choose A over B ?, why 132, who/where were they and more importantly what was the actual question and in what context was it asked ? - why do panel manufacturers headline a performance claim and then justify this figure with smallprint which, if viewed logically, rubbished their own claim ? ...... however, I'd still prefer the data and statistics to be available because it means that there is something to question and challenge, which is something which the majority of ideologists and the more extreme zealots have a tendancy to hate.

It is not logical for anyone to maintain a stance which has been shown to be illogical, however many do attempt to do this, some for ideology (whether misplaced or not), some for vested interests, some for entertainment, some for personal plaudit ...... what needs to be remembered is that too many people believe what they hear and read, doing this without question .... healthy debate is an extremely powerful tool to help in clarification and education, afterall, who on these boards now knows the difference between kW, kWh and kWp?, or, what is 800kWh/kWp?, or, how long will an inverter likely last?, or, which make panels are made in the UK?, or, will your pv power your standard immersion heater on Christmas Day?, or, what's a decent price for pv?, or even, is it likely that a system will save £270/year on imported power, etc, etc ... (;):D)

Unfortunately, in these days of 'social media' many organisations do actually use fora for promoting product & services and this happens extremely often on MSE. People expect to visit these pages for information, not biased ideolody and sales pitches on behalf of a particular organisation or an industry as a whole. I really do respect a number of knowledgeable individuals who post on these boards, especially those who actually do post from an objective viewpoint, even if they are involved in the industry .... at the same time, there are others who are still to earn that respect, however unlikely that may be, by employing more logic and less emotion ...

HTH
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