Crb check... Changing your name...

ellzman

If you change your name would that mean that if you apply for a job, lets say a financial job, the employer will see a fresh CRB of you? or would your old name still be linked to the new name... somehow?


Thanks.

Yorkie1

You have to declare all names and former names on the CRB form. If you fail to do so, and get the job by concealing something related to your former name, you run the risk of prosecution for fraud.

LittleVoice

ellzman wrote: »

If you change your name would that mean that if you apply for a job, lets say a financial job, the employer will see a fresh CRB of you? or would your old name still be linked to the new name... somehow?


Thanks.

When you complete the CRB form you have to indicate any former names.

steve1980

ellzman wrote: »

If you change your name would that mean that if you apply for a job, lets say a financial job, the employer will see a fresh CRB of you? or would your old name still be linked to the new name... somehow?


Thanks.

Are you trying to hide something by any chance?

SarEl

steve1980 wrote: »

Are you trying to hide something by any chance?

And if you were trying to hide something - it's a criminal offence.

piggeh

The employer will probably also ask for ID, proof of address, references, or more, depending on the industry, so you might want to get those sorted as well. Of course if you put your new name as your name for references, the references might come back blank (unless they're fake). Ultimately there are so many areas you could get caught up on, it's not really worth it.

Madjock

Bad credit, looking at Ellzman's other posts.

scheming_gypsy

if they didn't link it, it'd be a fair bit more suspicious than if they did link it. You'll either have your old name that comes back with your credit history or your new name that says you were 'born' the day you changed your name and have no other traceable history.

QuackQuack_2

ellzman wrote: »

If you change your name would that mean that if you apply for a job, lets say a financial job, the employer will see a fresh CRB of you? or would your old name still be linked to the new name... somehow?
Thanks.

WELL DONE!
You've found the chink in the CRB system. Using a different name will normally break the integrity of all CRB data, but...........

1: You'll need to provide ID for that name (birth certificate, passport, driving licence etc) - the first item in this list may be a problem.....

2: Concealment of any name may well be an offence

3: You may just happen to pick a name that happens to have some form of criminal record - you'll be amazed at how many people have something in their past

4: Other vetting checks will possibly unearth attempts to deceive

5: If there is some doubt about who you are, the Police will request that you attend a police station and provide fingerprints.

Ultimately a real person with a real name leaves a trail. If you are currently Victor Meldrew and suddenly change your name to Frank Spencer you'll break votors roll, bank details, credit reference files etc, all of which could take a number of years to resolve.

I wouldn't normally give this level of detail but the topic is interesting. If I'm grimly realistic and honest, probably the 'best' way to defeat a CRB check would be to assume the identity of someone dead - preferably someone who died young and outside of the UK so the death is not recorded here. You'd need to be creative with a National Insurance number and work history here but ironically that old phrase 'the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing' fits well. You'd think that tax records would quickly reveal this, but they don't seem to.

There was a case locally a couple of years back where a guy took the name of one of his teenage friends who had committed suicide in Holland during the 80's. He spent a couple of years 'brewing' this name and building a back story, setting up accounts and even retaking a driving test to get a fresh licence. This was his downfall. On applying for a job he told the company he had been driving for years, but his licence did not support that fact and further checks were made revealing his dishonesty. He was jailed AFAIR. You'll always run the risk of being discovered or recognised and the punishment will usually be stiff.

I'm adopted myself, and I've been through the CRB check and had them call me to query my name. I've had to supply original birth certificates and adoption certificates to satisfy them. This has become a two yearly vigil.

I do tend to think that the whole CRB system is a bit OTT and heavily abused by employers for really menial jobs that should not fall within its scope. We have a rehabilitation of offenders act but any CRB check, other than 'basic', will reveal your entire past regardless - so it's a bit of a nonsense. Despite all the musing about employers having safeguards so they don't discriminate against former offenders, I don't believe a word of it - or the liberals that say "declare it and talk it through with employers".

A while ago I was speaking to the manager of a local care home on this subject. She told me that the UK CRB checks were such a pain, and there was so little room to employ anyone with any past because of 'company policy', that they now primarily employ non UK nationals because it is near impossible to check them and it saves them shed loads of hassle. Does this keep our vulnerable people safe? Hell no - of course it cannot.

It is widely reported that Ian Huntley - the man that caused this knee-jerk overkill system to come into place in the first place - would have actually produced very little on an enhanced CRB check had it have existed at the time of his vile crimes - so you have to question its value.

Whilst I fully accept we need to protect the vulnerable, the system is serious overkill and results in a life sentence to some very petty criminals - which is more likely to make them re-offend out of sheer need for survival when they can't find work for much of their lives.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that the OP has any kind of past or criminal background BTW, just offering a view on the thing as a whole.

Uncertain

Quack Quack -

What a superb post.

Thanks

magenta22

Why are you changing your name? Are you getting married?

I always thought a CRB check was just to check if someone has a criminal record?

I don't actually know much about them but have seen on many an advert that must have CRB clearance and led to believe it takes a while to get it through.