Not being interviewed for a job I've created?

dizzyrascal

blossomhill wrote: »

What a shame for you however I think it is overly optomistic to think you would be considered for a 2 grade leap, esp in the cuurent job climate, most people are lucky to step up one, and it seems that other applicants may have had a better CV than you.

Another possibility is that even if you matched skills on the application, you didn't sell yourself hard enough due to thinking it was already in the bag, I have seen this happen, and as frustrating as it was for me (worse for the staff), had to overlook the person I knew could do the job well, in favour of the person who could take me to tribunal if I didn't give them a demonstrably fair chance

If the work is only 50% of your job, you have only been able to demonstrate limited experience of the work, whereas somone else may have applied who has 100% experience of doing the skills. Being ambitious/newly qualified is not the same as being experienced, and unless you have been age-discriminated for being too young (which with an MSc I doubt) the employer may have chosen experience/proven track record over ambition. Which would be terribly disappointing for you I am afraid.

You do need to talk to HR about how your JD will be changed when the 50% is subtracted, and how you are going to work well with the new person, especially if you will be expected to show them the ropes - maybe a special bonus for training them up?

Thanks for your advice. Just thought I would explain more.
Going up two grades is quite normal where I work and I am more than qualified to work at this level. This is a unique role that I have created over the last 5 years. No one else can have the experience that I have so I think it would be difficult to find that in other candidates especially as it is a fixed term post and so there would be limited time to learn the ropes.
It is nice that you think I may be young and inexperienced but I'm afraid this is not the case. I am the same age as my line manager.
All that is left of my job is at a grade lower than I currently work. It would be a backward step so you're right about needing to speak to HR.
Also I had my application checked by well qualified people and they seemed impressed and I have been through an internal promotion before so I was extremely careful to show my passion for the role, how could I not, it is the part of the job I love.

Sambucus_Nigra

I would be asking HR/the recruiting manager why I am not being interviewed, and what could I have done to make sure I WAS interviewed. It might be that you have assumed that they know you do things on the application, whereas because the forms are scored, they can't interview everyone so just interviewed the top 5 scorers. Often happens, that you assume they know these things when even if they KNOW - they can't be seen to score you up if you didn't put it in the application.

TrickyWicky

dizzyrascal wrote: »

Thanks for your advice. Just thought I would explain more.
Going up two grades is quite normal where I work and I am more than qualified to work at this level. This is a unique role that I have created over the last 5 years. No one else can have the experience that I have so I think it would be difficult to find that in other candidates especially as it is a fixed term post and so there would be limited time to learn the ropes.

None of what you feel or think matters. Employers (especially in hard times) will always get better more impressive CVs than yours that they drool over more. Learning the ropes doesn't matter to them when they think that they can get someone better for a less than better salary and in times like these people will work cheap despite having mega impressive CVs. Likewise there will always be people who can pick things up very quickly and do a good job so saying that they won't be able to do your job is pointless.

You need to accept that. The company has made its choices and speaking with HR will simply make you look weak and desperate. I know it sounds horrible but its the truth and you need to accept it and move on. If they don't want you to take on the extra responsibility then there will be another company out there that will but you need to do it before you loose your extra responsibilities because you need them on your CV.

Not news you wanted to hear but its good honest advice.

sparkle84

TrickyWicky wrote: »

None of what you feel or think matters. Employers (especially in hard times) will always get better more impressive CVs than yours that they drool over more. Learning the ropes doesn't matter to them when they think that they can get someone better for a less than better salary and in times like these people will work cheap despite having mega impressive CVs. Likewise there will always be people who can pick things up very quickly and do a good job so saying that they won't be able to do your job is pointless.

You need to accept that. The company has made its choices and speaking with HR will simply make you look weak and desperate. I know it sounds horrible but its the truth and you need to accept it and move on. If they don't want you to take on the extra responsibility then there will be another company out there that will but you need to do it before you loose your extra responsibilities because you need them on your CV.

Not news you wanted to hear but its good honest advice.

BIB - this certainly is not good advice, this person has every right to speak to HR to determine why she isnt deemed fit for interview after all the work she has put into the role - it wont make her look weak and desperate at all!

OP I really feel for you, you have obviously created something out of nothing worked hard and now been kicked in the teeth - I believe you are owed an explanation and would speak to HR asap

CapJ

sparkle84 wrote: »

BIB - this certainly is not good advice, this person has every right to speak to HR to determine why she isnt deemed fit for interview after all the work she has put into the role - it wont make her look weak and desperate at all!

OP I really feel for you, you have obviously created something out of nothing worked hard and now been kicked in the teeth - I believe you are owed an explanation and would speak to HR asap

I agree. Nothing to lose in speaking to HR and it could result in a change of heart on their part (unlikely) or useful feedback that will help you when applying to other jobs.

DVardysShadow

blossomhill wrote: »

What a shame for you however I think it is overly optomistic to think you would be considered for a 2 grade leap, esp in the cuurent job climate, most people are lucky to step up one, and it seems that other applicants may have had a better CV than you.

Because the current climate makes for overly unimaginative employers, which leads to more of the current climate.

Overly depressing really.

TrickyWicky

sparkle84 wrote: »

BIB - this certainly is not good advice, this person has every right to speak to HR to determine why she isnt deemed fit for interview after all the work she has put into the role - it wont make her look weak and desperate at all

No? - So what happens when it gets back to the ops line manager that they went chasing to HR about why they never got the interview?

What happens when the line manager gossips about it with other staff?

What happens when the other staff start sniggering and taking the mick out of the ops lowered mood because they didn't get the job?

You don't seem to realise that these things happen. They may not be acknowledged but they do happen.

SandC

I have no real advice to give, just to say that a similar thing happened to me and it really does give your self esteem and confidence a knock. I felt like my usefulness with the company was over - that I'd just been cast aside after having done a really good job for four years. I had no alternative but to move on.

But I didn't do so without speaking to one of my direct bosses first. He really could not get why I felt like to all intents and purposes I had had a demotion, albeit without the drop in pay to go with it. How could I put the current position on my CV without prospective employers asking what the reason was for the step back?

Anyway, this looks to me like a situation that is only going to result in you festering away, giving yourself stress and anxiety. For that reason I would speak to someone in HR to air your concerns and ask for genuine feedback as to why you haven't been considered. Of course, your best person to speak to is your direct boss but I understand that might be difficult. Then look for a new job.

purple.sarah

TrickyWicky wrote: »

No? - So what happens when it gets back to the ops line manager that they went chasing to HR about why they never got the interview?

What happens when the line manager gossips about it with other staff?

What happens when the other staff start sniggering and taking the mick out of the ops lowered mood because they didn't get the job?

You don't seem to realise that these things happen. They may not be acknowledged but they do happen.

So they shouldn't speak to HR or get career feedback in case people gossip or take the mick? This is a workplace not a playground! I'm not saying negativity doesn't happen but you can't keep your head down and halt the advancement of your career so people don't think you're a teacher's pet!

The OP has the right to speak to HR and if they do so in a professional manner it won't make them appear weak and desperate.

magenta22

Perhaps the role has evolved in some way? Maybe you are a good receptionist?
It must be disappointing not to get the interview but you are not guaranted the job until they offer it to you. Ask HR for some feedback.

If you want to progress your career then they can't be surprised when you hand in your notice.