Interview for in-house job vacancy

Nothingspecial

magenta22 wrote: »

Sorry that you didn't get it. I've had roles that I have gone for where they had an internal candidate apply who then got the role and it is disappointing.

Try not to think about it over the weekend and just relax and enjoy it.

Okay starting to feel a tiny bit better. I didnt even give the flip side a thought and you are right! It is disappointing for external applicants too. I am grateful that I actually have a job, maybe this job went to someone that was currently unemployed and they now have a job in time for the most stressful financial time of year?

Googlewhacker

The way I see it the company put you through because you are good but ultimately the candidate in their mind was far superior for the role and they couldn't justify training you up.

If the person had been the same or just slightly better they would probably have taken the risk on you.

It is not a slight on you as a person, it was merely a business decision so please don't take it to heart.

Remember you yourself make business decisions in terms of whether to stay at a company or move on...

magenta22

Glad you are feeling more positive

who know's there might be a better one :-)

lincroft1710

Your user name may say it all. Competent, good, works hard but "Nothingspecial", whereas the successful candidate may have been able to demonstrate that "something special" the interviewers were looking for.

Don't dwell on it, don't raise the matter with your boss. If he does mention it, just calmly say that obviously you were very disappointed not to get the job and hope you would still be considered for future vacancies. Any advice he has, you would welcome. Don't cry, you lose 10 points if you do.

heretolearn_2

I can understand why you feel absolutely gutted right now.

But you need to calm down and try not to take it so personally. When companies recruit, no, they don't give priority to internal candidates (usually, unless they have a definite person lined up and are just wasting everyone's time going through the motions of recruitment, but that's another matter altogether). You had to compete for the job on exactly the same basis as an external applicant, and sadly, someone pipped you to it. They probably already had that technical experience? I know you offered to train in your own time, but that's not really any different to an external candidate offering to come in and shadow someone to learn a skill the job needs but they lack. You wouldn't expect the firm to give them the job over someone who already ticks all the boxes? It may seem hard as they know you, but if you look at it that way, I hope you'll see it wasn't personal.

In some ways I think it's harder to get a promotion/transfer as an internal applicant. It's more of a risk for the employer. Not only do they risk getting a new person in the role you want to do who maybe will turn out not to be any good at it (it happens) and the recruitment fails - they also have to recruit someone to replace you in your current role with the same risk of that person turning out to be a mistake. If you are good at your job, your employer may prefer not to rock the boat with two new appointments, and go for an external candidate so it's only one new appointment. Again, that seems harsh, but it is how some employers think, if there is any doubt about your ability to settle into the new role. And as you don't have all the required skills already, it could have been a factor, you would have been a risky hire, and whoever replaces you is a risky hire just because they are a stranger and might turn out to be all sorts of horrors!

It was very wrong of someone to make you feel you were a shoo-in for the job. That's the only thing you have any 'right' to feel annoyed about, but again, I don't think you'll help yourself by making a fuss over it.

Concentrate on building up your skills, see if you can get the training anyway, and carry on looking onwards and upwards.

Nothingspecial

Googlewhacker wrote: »

The way I see it the company put you through because you are good but ultimately the candidate in their mind was far superior for the role and they couldn't justify training you up.

If the person had been the same or just slightly better they would probably have taken the risk on you.

It is not a slight on you as a person, it was merely a business decision so please don't take it to heart.

Remember you yourself make business decisions in terms of whether to stay at a company or move on...

I understand, everything you said makes total sense. Well I will see what happens Monday, will definitely ask for training and then make a decision from there. Thanks very much for the reply

Nothingspecial

lincroft1710 wrote: »

Your user name may say it all. Competent, good, works hard but "Nothingspecial", whereas the successful candidate may have been able to demonstrate that "something special" the interviewers were looking for.

Don't dwell on it, don't raise the matter with your boss. If he does mention it, just calmly say that obviously you were very disappointed not to get the job and hope you would still be considered for future vacancies. Any advice he has, you would welcome. Don't cry, you lose 10 points if you do.

I am in disguise, hence user name and I guess thats how I was feeling.

Nothingspecial

heretolearn wrote: »

I can understand why you feel absolutely gutted right now.

But you need to calm down and try not to take it so personally. When companies recruit, no, they don't give priority to internal candidates (usually, unless they have a definite person lined up and are just wasting everyone's time going through the motions of recruitment, but that's another matter altogether). You had to compete for the job on exactly the same basis as an external applicant, and sadly, someone pipped you to it. They probably already had that technical experience? I know you offered to train in your own time, but that's not really any different to an external candidate offering to come in and shadow someone to learn a skill the job needs but they lack. You wouldn't expect the firm to give them the job over someone who already ticks all the boxes? It may seem hard as they know you, but if you look at it that way, I hope you'll see it wasn't personal.

In some ways I think it's harder to get a promotion/transfer as an internal applicant. It's more of a risk for the employer. Not only do they risk getting a new person in the role you want to do who maybe will turn out not to be any good at it (it happens) and the recruitment fails - they also have to recruit someone to replace you in your current role with the same risk of that person turning out to be a mistake. If you are good at your job, your employer may prefer not to rock the boat with two new appointments, and go for an external candidate so it's only one new appointment. Again, that seems harsh, but it is how some employers think, if there is any doubt about your ability to settle into the new role. And as you don't have all the required skills already, it could have been a factor, you would have been a risky hire, and whoever replaces you is a risky hire just because they are a stranger and might turn out to be all sorts of horrors!

It was very wrong of someone to make you feel you were a shoo-in for the job. That's the only thing you have any 'right' to feel annoyed about, but again, I don't think you'll help yourself by making a fuss over it.

Concentrate on building up your skills, see if you can get the training anyway, and carry on looking onwards and upwards.

Thanks really useful and probably what I needed to read actually. I know I am a well liked member of staff there, and I work closely with certain departments, especially personnel, and i know it was meant in a well meaning way.

I will concentrate on learning, currently on you tube watching tutorials and going to check out ebay to see if there is anything I can purchase to self train myself if I cant get in-house training.

Nothingspecial

magenta22 wrote: »

Glad you are feeling more positive

who know's there might be a better one :-)

Yea who knows, maybe something better will come along in house or out. Thank you

Nothingspecial

Love this site, really do! It helped to pour out my feelings on this post, and I knew that something therapeutic would come from the replies, still feel hurt, think thats natural, but do feel so much more positive and decisive. Thank you VERY much to everyone that has taken the time to reply to me. I really do appreciate it x