Living together but not a couple

FBaby

So because you've decided not to be a 'conventional' couple any longer, you should both end up much better off financially thanks to tax payers? Because as a single mum, she will be getting a nice little income in addition to yours whilst the bills, rent/mortgage, children costs etc... remain exactly the same.

If you want to live separately but under the same roof and you don't want to support her any longer, maybe it is time for her to get a job and support herself....

Bogof_Babe

It's Building Regs approval you need for plumbing issues. Planning Permission is a separate thing.

Bogof_Babe

FBaby wrote: »

So because you've decided not to be a 'conventional' couple any longer, you should both end up much better off financially thanks to tax payers? Because as a single mum, she will be getting a nice little income in addition to yours whilst the bills, rent/mortgage, children costs etc... remain exactly the same.

If you want to live separately but under the same roof and you don't want to support her any longer, maybe it is time for her to get a job and support herself....

If this gets out EVERYONE will jump on the bandwagon :eek:.

epitome

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

But that's exactly what the OP is doing so how is his ex going to say that he isn't?

Sounds pretty dodgy to me.

I did not note the OP saying that he still shares a bed with the ex.....? Can you point me to that bit?

He is currently keeping a household but only because he feels he has to. In his mind he has already separated. I made it perfectly clear that for the purposes of benefits they are yet to fully separate and they could not claim in the status quo.

I informed him what he has to do in order for her to claim.

I really don't see that this is rocket science to understand so what bit did you not understand?

How can it be dodgy if you tell the truth?

In all likelyhood the claim will be denied.

Bogof_Babe

What I don't get is that if both parents are still in the house, how can the mother claim she is in the role of a single parent? Isn't it just as applicable that HE is a single parent, albeit one with a job?

I'd be surprised if she is entitled to money for the children, even if she can get JSA for herself.

Oldernotwiser

epitome wrote: »

I did not note the OP saying that he still shares a bed with the ex.....? Can you point me to that bit?

He is currently keeping a household but only because he feels he has to. In his mind he has already separated. I made it perfectly clear that for the purposes of benefits they are yet to fully separate and they could not claim in the status quo.

I informed him what he has to do in order for her to claim.

I really don't see that this is rocket science to understand so what bit did you not understand?

How can it be dodgy if you tell the truth?

In all likelyhood the claim will be denied.

Sharing a bed is irrelevant.

In your post which I replied to you said "you would not be feeding her and keeping the whole household" when this is actually what he is doing. At what point do you suggest he stops so she can genuinely state that he isn't supporting the household ?

I totally agree with your final sentence but wonder why you suggested that strategy when you believe that it would be unsuccessful?

epitome

Bogof_Babe wrote: »

What I don't get is that if both parents are still in the house, how can the mother claim she is in the role of a single parent? Isn't it just as applicable that HE is a single parent, albeit one with a job?

I'd be surprised if she is entitled to money for the children, even if she can get JSA for herself.

IS Lone Parent is dependant on receiving child benefit (child under 7) and living a separate life. As long as they satisfy the "living separatly" conditions or convince a tribunal that they do. Then she can claim as an individual.

If he receives the child benefit she would have to claim JSA.

epitome

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Sharing a bed is irrelevant.

I don't agree, I think it would be very relevant, unless you want a protracted legal battle on that point

In your post which I replied to you said "you would not be feeding her and keeping the whole household" when this is actually what he is doing. At what point do you suggest he stops so she can genuinely state that he isn't supporting the household ?

I totally agree with your final sentence but wonder why you suggested that strategy when you believe that it would be unsuccessful?

Why do you insist on only partially quoting the post and ignoring that I said "she can only do this if you have both truly separated" I suppse I could have said "when you have" but you're surely not going to hold that against me.

And I said "(because from your description you are still living together now, so the complete seperation is yet to happen)"

So I am still confused how you can fail to understand what I wrote...?

I informed the OP unlike most other replies and unlike all replies he had before he left us. of the possibility of putting in a claim, that it was theoretically possible. You would surely not condone giving the OP incorrect advice like he recieved in the first instance? It is for the OP to decide whether to pull the rug out completely from under his "partner" and force her to make her own claim. It's not mine or yours to decide that for them.

And I have witnessed a person win a similar argument on tribunal appeal - it can be done, they (DWP) may not like it, you may not like it but it can be done. That's why I said what I said.

FBaby

How is sharing a bed relevant? There are some couples, united and considering themselves as one, who for various reasons do not share a bed, does that make them not a couple and therefore entitled to benefits as single applicants?

Lets remember what benefits are for, to support those who are in need of it to live. It is given to single mums on the basis that their status a single mum makes it more difficult to support themselves and their children. Who care what goes on the bedroom, it still remains that by default of her ex-partner still living with her, they share the exact same costs they would if they were sleeping in the same bed.

The only issue here is that OP doesn't want to support his wife any longer but still wants to financially benefit from sharing the household, as that will leave him with more disposable income than if he has to pay to live elsewhere. If they still get along well, spend time together with the children, then they are a couple, even if it is a not a lovey dovey one with plenty of action in the bedroom.

epitome

FBaby wrote: »

How is sharing a bed relevant? There are some couples, united and considering themselves as one, who for various reasons do not share a bed, does that make them not a couple and therefore entitled to benefits as single applicants?

I think you entirely miss the point. Whilst I can accept that people living separately might claim (out of necessity) that they have to continue to share a bed...... as to sleep on the floor or couch would flare up medical problems and/or be demeaning, I think it would be a very sore point for the DWP and probably a tribunal to accept as necessary.....but who knows maybe there is a precedent, I truly don't know the answer to that.

Lets remember what benefits are for, to support those who are in need of it to live. It is given to single mums on the basis that their status a single mum makes it more difficult to support themselves and their children. Who care what goes on the bedroom, it still remains that by default of her ex-partner still living with her, they share the exact same costs they would if they were sleeping in the same bed.

The only issue here is that OP doesn't want to support his wife any longer but still wants to financially benefit from sharing the household, as that will leave him with more disposable income than if he has to pay to live elsewhere. If they still get along well, spend time together with the children, then they are a couple, even if it is a not a lovey dovey one with plenty of action in the bedroom.

You just miss the entire point again, read #20 again.

And **if** he had bought the house, why should he move out just becasue the relationship has ended, he's paying for the house, it's his house, why should he leave? She can leave and get somewhere for herself.