Public Sector Strike(s)

julieq

elantan wrote: »

thats it ... have been looking for that for years ... what is it called ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came%E2%80%A6

thorsoak

My nephew is a lecturer, and I copy hereunder his facebook posting :-


Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!

We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them £6.08 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or the hours they spend before or after school. That would be £39.52 a day (8:30 to 3...:45pm with 45 min. off for lunch that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay £39.52 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day, maybe 30? So that's £39.52 x 30 = £1185.60 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's £1185.60 X 180= £213,408 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There is! ...The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is £32,000. £32,000/180 days = £177.77/per day/30 students=£5.92/6.5 hours = £0.91 per hour per student--a very inexpensive "baby-sitter" and they even EDUCATE your kids!' WHAT A DEAL!!!!

DevilsAdvocate1

thegirlintheattic wrote: »

Private sector workers' reactions would likely be the same if they had been paying into something and the rules were suddenly dramatically changed, leading to you getting less, paying more and working longer than you had originally planned for. All this on top of pay freezes, caps and cuts. The difference is that successive governments have brain washed the private sector into accepting these types of changes without a fight and made you think that a race to the bottom is the way to go.

That's not it at all. If you work for a private company it has to be profitable. If it makes a loss eventually it will fold and everyone will lose their jobs. Private sector workers have not been brainwashed by the government into accepting changes. Instead they have seen what happens if they don't and usually accept the changes in the hope that the company can become profitable again and everyone can keep their jobs.

As I have already mentioned on this thread, the whole company my husband works for took a 10% pay cut 2 years ago so that no one would need to lose their job. The company is now breaking even, so hopefully they will all get to keep their jobs. This 10% cut came after only getting any sort of pay rise on 3 occasions in 10 years. So in real terms, they had already had a large paycut.

I can't support his strike and it makes me quite cross. If there is no money, there is no money. We all have to take cuts, not just the private sector. The only difference with the public sector is that there are so many employees that they can hold the country to ransom by holding strikes.

kabayiri

thorsoak wrote: »

My nephew is a lecturer, and I copy hereunder his facebook posting :-


Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! It's time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - babysit!

We can get that for minimum wage. That's right. Let's give them £6.08 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or the hours they spend before or after school. That would be £39.52 a day (8:30 to 3...:45pm with 45 min. off for lunch that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay £39.52 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day, maybe 30? So that's £39.52 x 30 = £1185.60 a day.

However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations. LET'S SEE.... That's £1185.60 X 180= £213,408 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries). Wait a minute -- there's something wrong here! There is! ...The average teacher's salary (nation wide) is £32,000. £32,000/180 days = £177.77/per day/30 students=£5.92/6.5 hours = £0.91 per hour per student--a very inexpensive "baby-sitter" and they even EDUCATE your kids!' WHAT A DEAL!!!!

Your nephew copies other people's work and passes it off as his own? The shame !

No wonder our kids lack the skills for the workplace (according to the CBI).

Wobblydeb

Can anyone point me towards the official details of the pension offer? I want to look at it without "interpretation" and am particularly interested to see if it is retrospective, or whether it would be going forward only.

Thanks

thorsoak

kabayiri wrote: »

Your nephew copies other people's work and passes it off as his own? The shame !

No wonder our kids lack the skills for the workplace (according to the CBI).

Did I say that it was his own work? No I did not - I said that I copied it from his facebook page!

You really should know by now that jumping to conclusions can be erroneous!

julieq

Wobblydeb wrote: »

Can anyone point me towards the official details of the pension offer? I want to look at it without "interpretation" and am particularly interested to see if it is retrospective, or whether it would be going forward only.

Thanks

http://cdn.hm-treasury.gov.uk/pensions_publicservice_021111.pdf

answer is that already accrued benefits are protected (as you'd expect)

chewmylegoff

thorsoak wrote: »

My nephew is a lecturer

i hope he doesn't teach anything that requires logical reasoning.

CLAPTON

julieq wrote: »

http://cdn.hm-treasury.gov.uk/pensions_publicservice_021111.pdf

answer is that already accrued benefits are protected (as you'd expect)

the paper shows that with 2007/8 changes the cost as a percentage of gdp is falling from about 2% to 1.4%
this seems very affordable


whether it is 'fair' is an other matter

CLAPTON

on a lighter note the paper has this lovely line
'
stand the test of time – no more refom for at least 25 years.'

from a government that had no plans to increase VAT
no new reforms of the NHS