How much did you save before going to uni?

Gillyx

How many holidays does your youngest get mumps? Most of the people I know got 2 weeks at summer, and 2 weeks at Christmas, same with the medical students I know.

My student midwife at the moment is on placement 8-6 Mon-Fri in the day clinic at the hospital, so she doesn't have uni at all, but she said just before summer, she was on placement Sat, Sun, Mon, in hospital then in uni Tue-Fri, so I really don't know where that would leave time to be working, at all?

I guess it comes down to the individual, but from what I've seen (and I know quite a few nurses/nursing students, both young and mature) they just can't manage to work with everything else on there plate, and they know themselves with duty of care that they can't do there job properly if they're doing so many hours.

As Oldernotwiser says, most qualified nurses at most are doing 3x12 hours in any 7 day period, and at that are tired. Take that to 5x12 hours and you've got a recipe for disaster on top of studies.

mumps

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

That may be fine for your employment but this shift pattern would mean that the hospital shifts wouldn't come after a couple of days' break. The final shift would come after doing 4 x 12 hour shifts on the trot.

Given the level of responsibility that student nurses can be given, as a patient I would be most unhappy that I was being cared for by someone who had put in this number of hours.

There's more than the students' well being to be considered in this situation.

We are flexible with days, they let me know when they are available, some like to take two days off together others like to take a day off, do two days for me and then another day off before placement. As I said it is usually in the first year or two and they do much less if anything in final year. I will ask them how much responsibility they have on their first placement when they have done six weeks training. I don't think it will be open heart surgery.

mumps

Gillyx wrote: »

How many holidays does your youngest get mumps? Most of the people I know got 2 weeks at summer, and 2 weeks at Christmas, same with the medical students I know.

My student midwife at the moment is on placement 8-6 Mon-Fri in the day clinic at the hospital, so she doesn't have uni at all, but she said just before summer, she was on placement Sat, Sun, Mon, in hospital then in uni Tue-Fri, so I really don't know where that would leave time to be working, at all?

I guess it comes down to the individual, but from what I've seen (and I know quite a few nurses/nursing students, both young and mature) they just can't manage to work with everything else on there plate, and they know themselves with duty of care that they can't do there job properly if they're doing so many hours.

As Oldernotwiser says, most qualified nurses at most are doing 3x12 hours in any 7 day period, and at that are tired. Take that to 5x12 hours and you've got a recipe for disaster on top of studies.

He gets three weeks Christmas, two at Easter and four in the summer. He had offers from five unis and none of them were for 48 weeks so I don't think that is usual. I haven't employed any midwifery students so I don't know about their placements but I don't think your student midwife should be doing five straight ten hour shifts, ONW will say it can't be done.

As I said my son isn't working in term time but I employ some and have employed many more in the past who work/worked. I suppose all universities arrange it their own way,

I know plenty about my local uni due to the number of students I have employed and I am learning about son's which arranges things in a similar way. They don't work five days, both do 3 x 12 hour shifts and aren't generally in uni during placements, the only time I remember this happening was with third years. In my experience as an employer social work students struggle more with working. That is particularly true when they are doing the two year masters.

Re qualified nurses working a max of 3 x 12 hour shifts, I think plenty of them are doing overtime. There are threads on here with nurses/midwives doing seven days straight.

Gillyx

Fair enough. I will ask her again, we were discussing it, but I've maybe misunderstood, said to OH and he said he thought she said 2 x 2 weeks, but he may have misheard. I generally thought 8-6 was normal working hours for the day clinics? Most nurses I know who work in day clinics work similar, once you take off lunch breaks and teas it's a normal working day.

You sound like you know more about it than me, so I'm probably wrong

Edit: My friend in her final year of Social Work can manage to work 2 half days at weekends, but her placement is pretty much office hours Mon-Fri (9-5)

Person_one

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

That may be fine for your employment but this shift pattern would mean that the hospital shifts wouldn't come after a couple of days' break. The final shift would come after doing 4 x 12 hour shifts on the trot.

Given the level of responsibility that student nurses can be given, as a patient I would be most unhappy that I was being cared for by someone who had put in this number of hours.

There's more than the students' well being to be considered in this situation.

Actually, student nurses have very little responsibility, they are supernumerary and should be under constant supervision by their mentor.

That doesn't mean its a good idea to work 28 hours on top of placements though! At my uni when on placement you work the same 37.5 hour week as your mentor.

As for the bursaries, they are generous if you're an independent student, however students who are assessed on their parents or a partner's income can really struggle and not working is not an option.

Oldernotwiser

Person_one wrote: »

Actually, student nurses have very little responsibility, they are supernumerary and should be under constant supervision by their mentor.

That doesn't mean its a good idea to work 28 hours on top of placements though! At my uni when on placement you work the same 37.5 hour week as your mentor.

As for the bursaries, they are generous if you're an independent student, however students who are assessed on their parents or a partner's income can really struggle and not working is not an option.

I appreciate that this is supposed to be the case but, in your experience, is that really the way it works all the time?

(Genuine question because the system used to be terribly abused and I hope it's changed now.)

Person_one

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I appreciate that this is supposed to be the case but, in your experience, is that really the way it works all the time?

(Genuine question because the system used to be terribly abused and I hope it's changed now.)

Most of the time, yes, because there are much more likely to be consequences for the qualified nurses these days if the students mess up.

Students used to be essentially unpaid auxiliaries, there's been a lot of work done by the NMC to stop that.

mumps

Gillyx wrote: »

Fair enough. I will ask her again, we were discussing it, but I've maybe misunderstood, said to OH and he said he thought she said 2 x 2 weeks, but he may have misheard. I generally thought 8-6 was normal working hours for the day clinics? Most nurses I know who work in day clinics work similar, once you take off lunch breaks and teas it's a normal working day.

You sound like you know more about it than me, so I'm probably wrong

Edit: My friend in her final year of Social Work can manage to work 2 half days at weekends, but her placement is pretty much office hours Mon-Fri (9-5)

I really don't know if it is the same for midwifery and I think it varies by university so she probably does different to my students.

BrettMorganxD

If someone takes a student loan out does it affect their credit rating? as in will it show up when applying for things

Gillyx

No, and no.

It's one of the best types of debt you can have really.