teacher's strike

Poppy9

Debbie_A wrote: »

Or 67 year-olds. The plans are to pay teachers' pensions at age 68. It's madness.

Debbie

In theory older experienced teachers should be enouraged to stay, as is true of any job, public or private as experience counts for a lot.

In reality as people age they lose enthusiasm and become resistant to change in the work place. They don't think as quick, don't adapt as quick and get a sense of "here we go again" as they have seen these "revoluntary" ideas many times and sit there wondering more and more why people don't just use common sense. It's a funny thing but it creeps up on you.

It's frustrating for younger people as at earlier stages in their careers and keen for modernisation/change to have a stuck in the rut manager.

I've worked with managers, they are now retired, who refused to use email when it was introduced 20 years ago in our work place and resisted turning on the "blasted machine" for many years and don't get me started on use of analysis paper, pencil and calculators v spreadsheets!!!

FATBALLZ

milliebear00001 wrote: »

I trust the financial 'insights' of somebody who calls himself 'fatballz' on an anonymous website only marginally more that I trust George Osbourne and Francis Maude.

Lol, nice edit.

I don't really care if you don't want my 'insights' because I'm not giving you any, I'm giving you verifiable facts that quite frankly you should have already been aware of. By all means stick your head in the sand and cling to some irrelevant reasoning of wanting the government to hold your hand and walk you through exactly how much your pension is worth and why the future situation needs to change, but in the real world people need to take responsibility for themselves, all the information is out there, work it out for yourself.

milliebear00001

FATBALLZ wrote: »

Lol, nice edit.

I don't really care if you don't want my 'insights' because I'm not giving you any, I'm giving you verifiable facts that quite frankly you should have already been aware of. By all means stick your head in the sand and cling to some irrelevant reasoning of wanting the government to hold your hand and walk you through exactly how much your pension is worth, but in the real world people need to take responsibility for themselves, all the information is out there, work it out for yourself.

No, you are peddling misinformation that directly goes against the findings of a major enquiry into the sustainability of teachers' pensions. You are also avoiding answering the question of why the Government refuses to revalue the scheme and prove their statements.

poet123

FATBALLZ wrote: »

Come on, that's a silly argument with no economic basis and you know it.

I could say the same about care workers who have to wipe toilet waste off old peoples private areas for a living and get physically assaulted on a regular basis, but if they suddenly went from NMW to £60k a year people would soon complain when care bills doubled or more (and they're by no means cheap at the moment). There are plenty more jobs you could apply the same to etc etc

No, your point was that output was not good, mine was that input has diminished over the years due to parenting, so obviously output is affected. You would get no argument from me that care workers are grossly underpaid and undervalued, that fact does not detract from the issue that teachers earn their salaries.

FATBALLZ

poet123 wrote: »

No, your point was that output was not good, mine was that input has diminished over the years due to parenting, so obviously output is affected. You would get no argument from me that care workers are grossly underpaid and undervalued, that fact does not detract from the issue that teachers earn their salaries.

It would if you don't believe society should award salaries on the basis of who has the shittest job (which would be an unmitigated disaster). And even if a system like that was devised teachers are way down the list.

thegirlintheattic

Debbie_A wrote: »

Teachers' actions do cause more than their fair share of disruption. I suspect my local library will be shut, the bins won't get emptied, routine hospital appointments will get re-scheduled, etc, etc. However, none of these will lead to the disruption that teachers can cause when they withdraw the free child-care for the day. So I can see why teachers are criticised.

This is the root of the problem, most of society look at teachers/schools as free child care instead of the providers of an education.

If people just want free child care then let the government slash pensions, making teaching an even less attractive prospect for the country's most talented graduates. Within a few years most teachers will have barely scrapped through a degree or worse be completely unqualified. Education standards will drop but children will be looked after, free at the point of service, for 190 days a year.

If people want a decent education then we need to encourage the best people into the job. One of the ways of doing this is by offering an attractive benefits package. I know several good teachers contemplating a career change should the pensions changes go through - they are willing to sacrifice a better pension for a higher yearly salary, which will enable them to pay for their own pension.

poet123

FATBALLZ wrote: »

It would if you don't believe society should award salaries on the basis of who has the shittest job (which would be an unmitigated disaster). And even if a system like that was devised teachers are way down the list.

Yes, way down the list, educating the next generation.......says it all really.

Lotus-eater

poet123 wrote: »

Yes, way down the list, educating the next generation.......says it all really.

If you are a teacher, I would have expected you to be able to read what was written and give a suitable reply.

Saying that a teacher would be way down the list of horrible jobs, is very different to what you have replied to.

Maybe you should think about saying something else.



And I completely disagree that most of the population look at schools as free child care, if you see the amount of people that struggle to get their kids into good schools, you know that can't be true.



There are good teachers and bad teachers, but I am a bit sick of teachers on here constantly moaning how badly treated they are. If you don't like it, do something else.

Marisco

On News 24 yesterday, they had a spokesperson from one of the unions on, and she said that the 3% that they are asking the workers to pay towards their pensions, will not actually go on the pensions, but will be used to get the deficit down. Is this correct? If so, then it's outrageous and I wonder if people actually know this? If not, then it should be made clear that the people involved will not actually be getting anything out of it!

mr_and_mrs_ts

mmm, didn't want it to turn out like this......original post was very different. We are living in 'difficult times' everybody lives their life accordingly to how they feel they can survive - stay afloat, who are we to judge.