http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535

Meeper

Okey Dokey, keep on going, it's all good.

As I said, please come back here when the petition has 100,000 signatures and goes back before the house to edumacate everyone as to how well the crusade has been going and how much of a difference you've made.

Good luck!

real1314

Meeper wrote: »

Okey Dokey, keep on going, it's all good.

As I said, please come back here when the petition has 100,000 signatures and goes back before the house to edumacate everyone as to how well the crusade has been going and how much of a difference you've made.

Good luck!

Come on, where's the justification for "Council Tax does not apply to Pensioners"?

Until you can clear that stumbling block, you're just showing yourself up.

Have a try at least; or have the good grace to fold your hand.

You should also do your clients the service of revealing the extent of your lack of financial awareness. Thank the lord you're not involved in public spending.
:cool:

le_loup

Not forgetting:
"CEO's are wealth and job creators."

jem16

real1314 wrote: »

Come on, where's the justification for "Council Tax does not apply to Pensioners"?

I'd also like to know the justification for stating most pensioners not being involved in depreciating of property.

Hotspur

Signed!

I have no idea what the basic pension is but I do know that increases in council tax, fuel, electricity, gas and food together with lower interest rates on savings have significantly affected my retired parents standard of living. And that is with a pension from the public sector from when working in a lower grade post.

The change to the CPI will devalue their basic state pension and affect their ability to keep up with rises in the basics of food, accommodation and heating.

This isn't a public v private pension issue but one that will affect us all in time.

Like other cultures we need to value our elders and help them in their old age, not make it a worry for them.

Imposed changes like this one need to be resisted and one way of doing so is to show our disapproval in numbers via a petition.

Interested_Taxpayer

Hotspur wrote: »

Signed!

I have no idea what the basic pension is but I do know that increases in council tax, fuel, electricity, gas and food together with lower interest rates on savings have significantly affected my retired parents standard of living. And that is with a pension from the public sector from when working in a lower grade post.

The change to the CPI will devalue their basic state pension and affect their ability to keep up with rises in the basics of food, accommodation and heating.

This isn't a public v private pension issue but one that will affect us all in time.

Like other cultures we need to value our elders and help them in their old age, not make it a worry for them.

Imposed changes like this one need to be resisted and one way of doing so is to show our disapproval in numbers via a petition.

Excellent Hotspur.

How much is my State Pension?

The State Pension is made up of two parts, the basic State Pension and the additional State Pension. Different people get different amounts of each.

The amount of State Pension you get depends on how many qualifying years of National Insurance you have. See ‘How your State Pension is worked out’ to find out how this works.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Pensionsandretirementplanning/StatePension/DG_183759

In 2011-12, a single person can get up to £102.15 a week basic State Pension, though some people get less than this. Many people get more than this amount, because they also get an additional State Pension.

This amount will not keep up with prices if the CPI continues to be used and pensioners will suffer real hardship.

Petition count is currently 84,844

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535

Like Hotspur, sign NOW and we can make a difference.

Ripoff_2

All,
I have read the posts and feel that the REAL issue is being missed.


The issue is not the detail between RPI to CPI or the state of the country’s finances but the fact that this change was implemented without consultation.

The experts were never consulted, no pensioner impact assessment was undertaken, the Government stated that CPI was a "better measure for pensioner inflation" to justify the change, but never has, then said it had nothing to do with deficit reduction, it was just a better measure. This has since been proved wrong by the ONS and RSS who are now looking at how they can do just that "Make it a better measure". i.e RIGHT


The pension pots of Public and Private sector workers have been systematically raided by Governments of all colours but this move is so blatant a robbery, the Government is mugging pensioners quite openly, hoping they would not notice. To be honest many have not but they will, as their incomes fall over time. They will undoubtedly get poorer and poorer being on fixed income, that includes ALL pensioners not on RPI indexation. (Note: Some private pensioners with hard wired terms to RPI are and will receive RPI increases, thus creating a two tier pensioner, yet another disgrace and a consequence of a Government that rushed in a flawed measure.)


Well, I for one do not like being robbed, cheated or lied to and this act is so disgraceful ALL pensioners Private, Public and State should stand up and say enough is enough. Sign the e-petition to show the strength of feeling and to at the very least have a debate on what is the right measure of inflation for pensioners.


The measure has to be right on fixed incomes and indexation should not be used to reduce a fiscal deficit, inflation is inflation and using a flawed measure such as CPI is simply quite WRONG.


If the 30 year RPI inflation measure was so wrong then the Government should have had discussions with the RSS, the ONS and other bodies to determine what the true actual inflation measure should be for pensions. NOT impose a change to a measure CPI that in their own admissions was missing items such as housing costs (Council Tax), car tax and TV Lic and would on average be 0.8% lower than RPI with no reason why it should be.


They are using this measure to steal thousands of pounds from people, but not just during the deficit reduction programme but for life. That again is simply quite WRONG. This is an issue between Right and Wrong, and it is wrong to use indexation in this manner no matter what political side you belong to.

So lets have the debate, lets sort out the correct measure and then perhaps put this wrong action right.


SO YES we ALL should sign the e-petition.

ExBT_Bob

Judicial review decision has found in favour of the Govt.


More need than ever to add your name to the e-petition at

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535


Now up to 89K - needs 100K

Meeper

What a surprise.

BobQ

ExBT_Bob wrote: »

Judicial review decision has found in favour of the Govt.


More need than ever to add your name to the e-petition at

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535


Now up to 89K - needs 100K

Not sure this is going to have much effect. Those affected by this decision include 4.5m current public sector workers, plus the armed forces and all the existing public sector pensions plus all those in private sector DB pensions which did not specify RPI. This must be about 10m people? Yet only 90000 have bothered to sign.

If they cannot be bothered to sign a simple petition in larger numbers it just goes to show that they believe they deserve to get less in retirement.